He is a genius even at fighting but not innately at boxing and it pisses peeps off. It's probably why that lady pressed
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Archived from the IMDb Discussion Forums — Mike Tyson
nishivijay — 10 years ago(March 28, 2016 07:54 AM)
He is a genius even at fighting but not innately at boxing and it pisses peeps off. It's probably why that lady pressed charges cuz she hates how he's viewed as smart at boxing but he won't use the overhead punch cuz then he can't think beyond punches like headbutts and he'd probably bum rush u in real life cuz he could lose randomly if he boxed. He also lifted light weights one exercise when he was superior bur he did these things to create a difference with mentalisms but fundamentals these choices were less sound. Now he's nice for giving that woman dignity but she's pissed off cuz people think that's smart and if u box and r trying to be a heavyweight u r dumb anyway and this is how lots of people think with no experience just a brain and it's annoyin how people justify this as smart. I was watching a heavyweight fight and getting pissed off cuz I could tell just from the segment that idiot thought the conditioning guys were producing actual results Dumb dumb dumb sad seeing them in the ring they're stupid if u take it that far potentially mma levels of retard is possible and those guys have to molest their bodies to c5b4ompete every time or eventually to fall as part of the contract. It's why people hate sports because evens out the playing field and I want the superior guy to win. Not many superior heavyweights today not super heavy.
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nishivijay — 9 years ago(June 08, 2016 05:24 PM)
i am from earth but not moronville where we can reinvent the wheel. i think the same way as people thought hundreds of years ago PROPER not ridiculous fantasies that anything can be anything or that would make me doubt a formal education in boxing.. like you may learn less by trying to learn from some of these guys even 'top trainers'. but earth not fantasy candyland b ass beep world.
hw boxers are stupid as f not to use an overhead punch that put mayorga in youtube and you'll see him throw it a million times and it's not an official punch but that's why there is no more than 5'9" 190 as a heavy weight boxer by common sense rules.
tyson is a guy that does things WRONG but he's right because that confuses people and it works. but he didn't use a punch like that to create a difference but it's wrong especially from a guy 5'10" but he compensates with other stuff including head bunts for example so he can think PAST fists but it's fundamentally wrong he did it to create a DIFFERENCE or confusions to beat the other guy but he ain't raging bull at least how that guy talks on that movie, don't know about his fights. but he speaks PROPER the right way for hundreds of years, that a boxer should be able to give brains or tell people how to restructure their brain to do other stuff.
ON PLANET EARTH if a kid is a genius at boxing at a young5b4 age that means they are like raging bull they can tell you how to create brains for a specific purpose from boxing. even if they were autistic and wanted to be a scientist or stand up comedian they are supposed to have the brain to do exercises to change their brains (and other stuff maybe even looks) through physical exercises like raging bull in that movie. tyson may or may not have these skills but he tries to disprove them but part of that is to create a hoax. taking out that punch in HW boxing is fundamnetally wrong.
you need to get off your knees and start thinking bro then you can come back down to planet earth and think human. dont get caught up in fads. right is right and you can't disprove it from the inception just cuz there a dummies around. -
nishivijay — 9 years ago(June 08, 2016 08:00 PM)
i got a real problem with you, cuz there are a lot of people around trying to convince people to forget civilization and society and what not and just make up their own nonsense and not just in boxing but in other stuff and you are either one of them guys or under their influence.
tyson is not a 'proper' boxer. he wins by mental tricks that cause confusion. but we expect a raging bull and if you try to imitate the top guy and he is not following an industry standard or convention, then everything deteriorates.
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you have made no point and have shown no understand so stay done with me dummy. tyson is great but his fans suck. maybe the worst fans of all; they're dumb.
tyson is unconventional. you cannot make him a convention or a formula. HW boxers are dumb nowadays probably partly because they are chasing looks and a body. but they will not throw that punch. like tyson wouldn't cuz he wanted to be a street fighter not a boxer, didn't want boxing to limit him and he didn't need it but that alone added 10 lbs to the entire class.
emanuel stuart probably also told guys he trains like eminimem for example a lot of nonsense cuz he wants a certain style of fighting like hearns but with the weight to win. but wrong is wrong. some times the great ones cannot be conventional and if i am offending you you got to remember what raging bull means when he says he can make brains or give brains. that is not just a champ that is a master boxer which is something different but that is the guy that is conventional for all times like even 1800s tom cruise style boxing in the movies like far and away even in those times pro level raging bull is a convention AND he was the champ. you could try to be like that not an unconventional guy. if i'm offending you you are better off letting it go and try to digest some of it cuz with all these guys attacking society around you might not even know this stuff
sorry if i got carried away but sometimes you gotta present yourself in an authoritative way to get people to listen but you see my message right? you can't make unconventional people an industry standard. raging bull was before my time but let's say he was champ in the 1800s, today, any times. i never saw him fight but he is what a boxer is. tyson is tricky and great but unconventional as in he cannot become a formula for a boxer. and that might make him great in his own right but certain things explained above are not logical but with people attacking civilization (and i'm from jersey and these jersey mafia guys like christie have started the new wave again, can't tell you how many people around me it felt like they knew about september 11th THAT day being from jersey and if you were wondering i am a hindu not a muslim but i am from jersey and i am not gonna let it be all of us) well that ish is wrong and i feel like i got to represent but watch that movie and that is what the definition of boxer is supposed to be all times. you won't f up pretending to be him but you could trying to be another great sugar ray robinson these guys are before my time but who knows what he said? may or not be 'proper' to emulate. but that's my case, there is a distinction and people should know this stuff boxing and beyond -
nishivijay — 9 years ago(October 31, 2016 08:37 PM)
You're right. I put little effort into 5b4this and I feel bad for bringing up his name because some things are hard to go through and then I may have tried to make light of things and made it heavy. I poorly represented myself in haste.
So I feel bad about it, and I think he's a super cool celebrity one of the great heavyweights but this is what I'm saying real simple. My only real point.
Heavyweight boxers no longer throw and overarching from above down usually around the forehead circular punch that the mechanics of it would favor a smaller person over a larger person. It's not a standard punch but boxers of other classes still throw it.
A heavyweight boxer that was about 5'9, 190 lbs in the past would throw that punch and the big guys wouldn't be as big but it still had a devestating effect.
Tyson didn't use it and he was playing some sort of mental trick that gave him a deserved fandom, and his celebrity gave him the rest, but for heavy weight boxers to throw this punch out just because Tyson did is not sound thinking.
Tyson may have been thinking soundly, for example if a bigger guy threw it on me, it might make me lose more than it helps me personally win but economically for the numbers, it helps a smaller person throw more weight around and could help them hit a taller target.
So for ALL THESE HW boxers to leave it out their repertoire is stupid and not a standardized approach.
I'm sure he'16d0s a great guy and a lot of fun and committed many good deeds that will be long remembered, but whatever it is you don't take it out of heavyweight boxing. It changed the numbers where they add weight and they are just not coordinated enough these days to do justice to boxing a lot of people trying to copy the man would be better off starting elsewhere.
Other than that I'm rambling but OVERHEAD PUNCH to a HW boxer, like for example Marciano, I was too young for that but it was the basis of the economics and rationale for the weight class max class being 190 lbs. The game changed that much because of this irrational mimickry. He's great and there are reasonable MIND TRICKS but it's not strong fundamentals to standardize that approach.
So if you want to understand what I'm trying to say or get lost, just remember this. Overhead (but as I'm referring to it, not a hook, vertical down) punch. That's it. The rest will come or it's not important.
Honestly I say things in haste becuase RARELY but since I came here at three I've been harassed by NSA organizatoins, and because of that, I write things in haste, and there is a chance of tampering, and obviously with his celebrity, Mike Tyson also gets harassed by NSA, and if I was aggressively offensive (because I like his celebrity and was trying to make light) I don't know if it was just me probably, but maybe not.
But I'm not a boxer. i'm a musician. And a lot of musicians just construct a simple boxer's routine to get good at music. But I'm not a boxer, I just do warm up exercises to sing. And now that overhead, it would be a fundamental thing if I boxed a guy. He's from a different division but Mayorga on youtube, he throws the punch as a cause, purposefully, but he'll overthrow it to promote it you'll know what i'm talking about.
I'm a fan of Tyson but the HW division after him collectively none of them throw it and quite frankly they are an embarrassment to boxing these days but then again, I'm a musician. I'm fine with the PERSONAL choice, but I haven't watched boxing in years, but watched FOR YEARS where it was not thrown at all but the economics make it more profitable.
That's why weight divisions changed, but now it looks like the coordination falls so much past 200 lbs and I'm a chubby guy so I'm almost there and I don't like how they represent us. They make people over 200 lbs look like dummies.