Holyfield did not headbutt Tyson
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hitfan — 17 years ago(September 04, 2008 07:21 AM)
Tyson once said after a bout: "I'm going to eat his children his children's children, praise be to Allah!" (in reference to Lennox Lewis).
The allegations of Holyfield's so-called dirty tactics (vs Tyson) have been shouted out by the Tysonists for years now. Yet, not one single instance that can be verified has ever been shown.
Tysonistas, I'm still waiting for that video clip of Holyfield throwing a headbutt VS your hero. -
Topsword — 17 years ago(December 09, 2008 12:03 PM)
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hitfan — 17 years ago(December 15, 2008 07:47 AM)
That's a good video that shows Tyson getting himself disqualified.
I saw a few instances where their heads clashed but I didn't see any intentional headbutts.
Perhaps the Tyson fans here can point out the Minutes:Seconds (example 55:55) where Holyfield is supposedly fighting dirty in this video. -
devil_may_cry_ldk_dante_sparda — 16 years ago(May 19, 2009 07:31 PM)
lol.a professional boxer would know how to headbutt someone and make it "look" unintentional. In the first fight, i was quiet but VERY suspicious still. In the second fight, I knew it was a dirty trick. Its logical because NO fighter can ever beat a prime mike tyson fairly. Tyson has only lost ANY fight because of personal emotional problems that he created himself and affected him in the ring of course (divorce with givens, firing rooney who taught him combinations instead of just going for the head, getting in trouble with lawetc list goes ON!) If he was smart, he would have steam rolled every fighter even now, easily! Theres no chin in existence that can withstand his blows, at least for too long. I have NEVER seen anyone this vicious in boxing. Who hits hard, super fast. I get bored watching ALI frazier..etc.fights. I don't watch ANY boxing fights except the early tyson fights.
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hitfan — 16 years ago(June 09, 2009 11:35 AM)
I made $100 against a Tyson fan who believed the same thing that you doTyson is "unbeatable" bla bla bla.
Before the fight he said I didn't know sh*t about boxing and that "Tyson's the best!!! You're an idiot!"
Anyway, he was crying like a menstruating woman when Holyfield knocked him the beep out and he had to shell out the money.
There is more to boxing than simple punching power. -
rbuonomo27 — 16 years ago(May 16, 2009 11:39 PM)
Holyfield headbutted EVERYONE!!!
Did you see the fights, did you see the movie? They showed all of the instances when he headbutted him. Holyfield was a dirty fighter. Tyson wasnt a saint in the ring either but Evander headbutted everyone
Also, Tyson was having a great 3rd round in that 2nd fight and I think was on his way to KO Evander until he went nuts and bit him -
hitfan — 16 years ago(January 03, 2010 08:38 AM)
I saw clips of a Tyson documentary on youtube, they appeared to be doctored to make Holyfield look as bad as possible.
but isn't it funny that for every single alleged headbutt thrown by Holyfield, Tyson just happens to be lunging his head forward at the same time?
Tyson always lunges forward (a barely legal tactic) and Holyfield found a way to place his head (without throwing a headbutt) where Tyson would slam his head towards to.
Tyson also complained "Holyfield is taller than me, why is his head lower than mine?". That's pretty simple Holyfield always fights in a crouch because he brawls. But Tyson bawls at the fact that someone out Tyson-ed Tyson. -
tyson6633 — 13 years ago(July 02, 2012 11:03 PM)
I'm a self proclaimed Tyson freak. A Tyson "Nuthugger" as everyone else says. I must say tho that I honestly can't agree or disagree with you. People who believe one side over another will NEVER change their opinion. It's a lost cause. I personally never really liked "Evan Fields" other than his Warrior Heart and his fights with Bowe. I had a feeling he would beat Tyson. He was known to Butt during fights but Tyson was known to use his elbows after throwing his powerfully fast hooks. Pretty much every fighter will do what they can to get a leg up in a fight. It just depends on if the REF catches you or not. Even tho Tyson is my favorite boxer, it doesn't mean I think he was the GREATEST. Big difference. The 86-88 Kevin Rooney Tyson was in one word a machine. Focus, drive, hunger, determination and more importantly, DOMINATION. Ending record 35-0 31 KO). The Don King influenced Tyson? Pfft! Terrible. Tyson lost ALL his Legacy fights. God, I hate admitting that! Tyson is/was the biggest "what-if" in Boxing. We'll never know his true potential. What a Shame.
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forzaeva — 12 years ago(June 01, 2013 10:23 AM)
I'm interested in offering a different point of view.
To me, the headbutts looked accidental, a result of clashing boxing styles. But I'm not going any further into that at this point.
I believe what really ticked Tyson off, were never really the headbutts, but Holyfield's pushing and clinching to dominate him, physically and mentally.
Tyson's main weaknesses were very clear when his boxing matches are reviewed. He was fairly easily tied up in clinches and was almost exclusively pushed back (bossed around) in clinches, that includes opponenents he otherwise dominated (i.e. '86 Tyson VS Berbick) and KO'ed fairly easily.
Also note that Tyson was rarely the man to break out of clinches. I believe his reasons were first and foremost to treat clinches as a breather (remember Tyson himself admitted he had a lung-problem and thus admitting he never had the best long-term endurance in his own documentary 'Tyson').
Holding/clinching/pushing is always viewed as questionable sportsmanship. Whether exploited to avoid a KO loss (i.e. Tyson VS Ferguson) or in this case rather take advantage of a a boxer's known weakness in a clinch (Tyson VS Holyfield). But also keep in mind how effectively Holyfield was disrupting Tyson's style by dominating him in exchanges and taking some of his best punches like almost nothing happened. Holyfield is known for his hard chin.
Holyfield fought Tyson in a way that forced Tyson to be on the retreat. While being a great defensive fighter and counterpuncher back in his hey-day (Tyson), he was never used to be on the retreat. He was the one pressing forward, bullying and dominating his opponents, smothering them, imposing2000 his will on them. As the type of boxer Tyson was, he was not comfortable being the one on the retreat. Along came Holyfield, who effectively forced Tyson out of his comfort zone.
Clinching in a boxing match is part of human nature. There is a reason for it. Keep in mind that just about everyone who would ever box would do it as a means to survive. With that in mind, it is understandable that the referee is more inclined to DQ someone who performs a more obvious act of foul play (i.e. Tyson's earbiting) rather than someone who exploits clinches to his advantage.
I'll always think of both Tyson and Holyfield as ATGs (All Time Greats), by the way. -
Topsword — 12 years ago(October 08, 2013 07:31 PM)
You need glasses cause in the two fights I saw, Holyfield intentionally headbutted Tyson. He did it repeatedly. Holyfield wasn't fighting fair and the ref and judges let him get away with it twice. Boxing is a corrupt sport like many sports. They barely ever call it right.
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bluesman-20 — 12 years ago(March 25, 2014 06:23 PM)
Little Known Fact. The referree Mills Lane was also a close friend of the Holyfield family.
Tyson didn't care if the original refferree was replaced by mills lane. He just wanted to fight. But when Lane went out of his way to let Holyfield get away with the headbutts. and if you watch the footage you can see Holyfield Head butt Tyson several times.
Mills LAne did his job. He handed the victory to Holyfield.
Five to one baby,one in five. No one here gets out alive -Jim Morrison