Not a very good actress…
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ExplorerDS6789 — 16 years ago(January 01, 2010 02:00 PM)
"I know he's not strong alone, my point is the fact that he hit her when there was clearly no need for restraint means that they would have been brutal if she HAD required restraint. It probably wouldn't have been as simple as grabbing her and resuming the rape if she had tried to escape as you have suggested she should."
Alright, you have a point there.
"And what exactly would feminism have done to dissuade the actress from taking a role in which she gets raped?"
Not taking the role in the FIRST PLACE! Playing a wooden woman who doesn't try to resist and let's 4 fruitcakes take advantage of her. Put up a fight or something! In the book, she does, but Dim breaks her arms.
"And despite this fact, you feel compelled to tell a woman she must be weak and submissive if she chooses rape over a beating?"
I tell that to a woman who takes a role in a movie that requires her to be that way.
"Are you saying films should only depict the pleasant aspects of life?"
Well in the very early era of motion pictures, especially during the 1930s, they did. It was the Depression, people were trying to escape the misery that run rampant throghout the country. Some were dramatic and depressing, but most were pretty funny and upbeat. The 1960s brought about the more downbeat, realistic movies. The 1970s had even more. Thank goodness Steven Spielberg and George Lucas came to turn the tides, but that's another story.
Movies like Clockwork Orange influence violence and hatred. -
Fashion_Luver — 16 years ago(January 03, 2010 10:04 AM)
Not taking the role in the FIRST PLACE! Playing a wooden woman who doesn't try to resist and let's 4 fruitcakes take advantage of her. Put up a fight or something! In the book, she does, but Dim breaks her arms.
Even if the character HAD the chance to escape and was just plain too weak to do anything about it, why would feminism dissuade Adrienne Corri from accepting such a role? How can an imaginary character possibly deduct from women's rights? Characters (in all art forms) are commonly depicted in poor lights; the intention of art is to depict life, not ideal circumstances. And you well know there are plenty of immoral, weak, and unintelligent people in real life.
Well in the very early era of motion pictures, especially during the 1930s, they did. It was the Depression, people were trying to escape the misery that run rampant throghout the country. Some were dramatic and depressing, but most were pretty funny and upbeat. The 1960s brought about the more downbeat, realistic movies. The 1970s had even more. Thank goodness Steven b68Spielberg and George Lucas came to turn the tides, but that's another story.
If fantasy escapism is your personal preference in film, that is well and fine, but suggesting that all films should be that way is just absurd. One of the common complaints against violent films like ACO is that they lack meaning, yet there is FAR less promise of meaning in any film that chooses to portray life as sweetness and smiles. At worst, such films insult the viewer's intelligence.
Movies like Clockwork Orange influence violence and hatred.
In what way? If a person already realises that violence and hatred are immoral, this belief can't possibly be changed unless the viewer is too immature to understand the film. And that's why rating systems exist. -
ExplorerDS6789 — 16 years ago(January 03, 2010 11:43 AM)
"Even if the character HAD the chance to escape and was just plain too weak to do anything about it, why would feminism dissuade Adrienne Corri from accepting such a role? b68How can an imaginary character possibly deduct from women's rights? Characters (in all art forms) are commonly depicted in poor lights; the intention of art is to depict life, not ideal circumstances. And you well know there are plenty of immoral, weak, and unintelligent people in real life."
She shouldn't have taken the role in the first place. Why did she have to intentionally make herself look bad? Because she wanted to work for Stanley Kubrick? Because she wanted to do a scene like that 30 times? I heard she got upset with Kubrick over having to do that scene so many times, but it wasn't entirely his fault. He didn't make her take that role.
ACO is one of the worst movies ever made. Malcolm McDowell said he'd have to be a raving idiot not to realize what a masterpiece it is. Well it isn't, and he's still a raving idiot. -
Fashion_Luver — 16 years ago(January 03, 2010 12:44 PM)
Why did she have to intentionally make herself look bad?
She didn't. She made the
character
look bad (if for argument's sake, the character comes across as weak). And I just explained why it is inevitable that art will portray characters in poor states. You seem not to be distinguishing the actress from the character.
You also seem not to be realising that feminism is about
choice
, not catering to the selfish desires of power-hungry female politicians. These are the only types of "feminists" who would discourage a woman from taking any film role she wanted (much less any career choice she desired). -
ExplorerDS6789 — 16 years ago(January 03, 2010 04:12 PM)
Look, I don't want to keep arguing about this. Let's just put our cards on the table:
I think Adrienne Corri is a lousy actress, she looked terrible in that movie, I think ACO is a stupid movie, I think Kubrick is a lousy director.
You disagree, and that's fine.
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laurenjones — 14 years ago(August 16, 2011 10:25 PM)
It's really hard to tell what the director had in mind. The scene itself should have been horrifying, yet was played semi-campy, so I'm not sure what reaction he wanted from the audience. Either way, it's definitely not the best Adrienne Corri has done, though it might be her most 'high profile' part because it's a 'Kubrick film.'
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ExplorerDS6789 — 14 years ago(August 17, 2011 02:46 AM)
"The scene itself should have been horrifying, yet was played semi-campy, so I'm not sure what reaction he wanted from the audience."
The version in the book was done right. Who knows what Kubrick was trying to achieve. From what I understand, the original way was too conventional so he told Malcolm to sing, and "I'm Singing in the Rain" was the only song he knew. -
kyzasoze2003 — 12 years ago(April 18, 2013 12:58 AM)
Wow, what a fool.
Yeah, the OP is a complete fool. Imdb is crawling with them.
As for Adrienne Corri, the other films I saw her in were The River, Vampire Circus, Dr Zhivago and Revenge of the Pink Panther and she was good in all of them.