So he believes in aliens and all-creating gravity, but not in God?
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al666940-3 — 13 years ago(May 31, 2012 09:14 AM)
"To assume that earth is the only planet with life on it seems pretty arrogant to me"
Not really if you care to remember that the conditions that make life possible are one of TRILLIONS of possible combinations/succesion of events where the slightest alteration or combination or order in events simply negates the possibility of life.
I advise you to stay away from any casino, with your current assumptions you'll be lucky to leave with your clothes on.
"The opposite actually seems a more probable answer in light of current knowledge"
What current knowledge exactly? Even if primitive life forms (bacteria) were found to exist elsewhere (not proven yet), it's still billions of combinations/succession of events away from INTELLIGENT life forms.
"The possiblity of a supernatural being controlling everything in the universe requires moving outside current scientific methods and information"
Only if you pretend to explain stuff outside the scope of science, like say love, beauty, good/evil, etc. Or are you asserting that anything that can't be explaiend by science is tehrefore invalid and non existent?
And for that matter, stuff like "dark matter/energy" are supposed scientific concepts that are bordeline god-like: stuff we cannot see/hear/perceive/prove in any way yet are supposetly all over affecting everything. -
megArnold — 13 years ago(July 04, 2012 10:38 AM)
Hawking does NOT believe that God doesn't exist, but as a scientist, it's not his job to rule on the existence or non-existence of God.
Additionally, to the agnosticism that is a prerogative for science, Hawking expresses a deistic standpoint:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism
"The universe is governed by the laws of science. The laws may have been decreed by God, but God does not intervene to break the laws."
(S. W. H.)
This is why we distinguish between belief (as in religion) and knowledge (as in science). People should know the difference. Hawking does.
When people don't understand the difference, we get creationists and atheists.
Grammar:
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al666940-3 — 13 years ago(August 09, 2012 08:55 AM)
We already have tons of examples here to draw upon:
- The Spaniards coming to America
- The Moors coming to Europe
- The Buddhist coming anyhwere.
The only religion I'm aware of that's not interested in recruiting is the Jewish one. But that's simply because of their belief they are the Chosen Few, thus no need apply (no judgement on my part).
Why should aliens be different really? You should really see Contact.
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King-Grim — 13 years ago(August 14, 2012 11:46 AM)
Aliens are a hundred thousand million billion times more likely to exist than God. In the infinite, unbelievable vastness of space it's pretty much a given that it can't be only the one single insignificant has spawned life, and many millions of forms of it at that. While a single, all powerful, conscious creator of thb68is insanely vast universe is, frankly, rather a far fetched premise.
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al666940-3 — 13 years ago(August 17, 2012 03:57 PM)
"Aliens are a hundred thousand million billion times more likely to exist than God. In the infinite, unbelievable vastness of space it's pretty much a given that it can't be only the one single insignificant has spawned life"
About as likely as there are life forms based on other stuff besides carbon. Say bubble gum, kalhua, rat $h!t, you name it.
Actual inteligent life occuring anyhwere at 111call depends on some many countless complex factors happening one afetr another, you would be more likely to hit the jackpot on every slot machine in every casino in Vegas in a row. See what happens when anybody hits two in a row (the movie Casino explains it quite clearly)
"While a single, all powerful, conscious creator"
Compared to what? The only other alternatives are:- a forever existing universe (violates entrophy and thermodynamic laws)
- a self creating universe (enter all-powerful God-like gravity)
Both are just as hard to swallow, heck even harder in fact.
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Reema2688 — 10 years ago(August 11, 2015 09:46 AM)
While I personally don't believe in parallel universes, but there is one episode of Through The wormhole, which makes a very compelling case of its existence.
As for God, I think over the years people have massively distorted the concept of God & spirituality. I don't personally subscribe to religious beliefs, coz to me, those come across as some man-made manifestations for ease of ruling, making the society be more inclined to morality and ethics, though the irony is, now religion has become majorly responsible for disrupting the social fabric to quite an extent. But yes, spirituality is something everyone should aspire to connect to - though that equals to being a believer or atheist, I am not sure.
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FascistAnarchist999 — 10 years ago(August 11, 2015 09:35 PM)
I watched something about wormholes and time travel sometime back. It was hosted by that Chinese or whatever Physicist. I can agree on some of that that I watched. As for the Parnell universes, it indicated that we existed on apparel universes doing different stuff,etc. This will never be proven, just like atheist say that God can't be proven.
"What is there more proof of, us existing on parallel universes or the existence of God? I would say, "The existence of God because of this and that." Others would say the parallel universes because being that are own universe exists, there might be others. I believe that other universes do exist, but not in the parallel form.
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Reema2688 — 10 years ago(August 10, 2015 10:56 PM)
What's the evidence for aliens AGAIN? About the same one as for God's existence (common sense, right?). Anyone who is willing to take a leap of faith to believe in aliens yet ridicules believers for doing the exact same thing is a hypocrite.
The evidence is always there, maybe we are still far away from finding it. In the vastness of the universe, to think that a tiny planet in a tiny solar system in the periphery of one tiny galaxy has the unique distinction of holding life sounds quite foolish. Simply because -- To have some kind of life, all it requires is presence of the planet in the Goldilocks zone. Many planets are being discovered frequently by the Kepler telescope, subscribing to these conditions. Who's say those do not hold life?
- Life can be in any form. Before the discovery of microscope, people didn't know about the existence of microbes, but those are the longest surviving species on Earth. Same can be true about many planets out there.
But nowhere does this relate to the presence of an all encompassing entity, which, in my personal opinion, is figment of imagination , created solely for the purpose of controlling the masses.
The problem with social media - Idiots now got a voice
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averagejoeman2013 — 9 years ago(December 28, 2016 08:07 AM)
Relax, the majority of astronomers, physicists, and advances mathematicians do and its widely known that Hawking has been off his rocker for a few decades on both the scientific and philosophical roads. The growing scientific majority that increasingly believes in God will continue to grow as more evidence becomes known. This is why they've been retreating on almost all fronts from biology, to astronomy, to physics for about 20 years now.
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