Bruce Jenner still has his Cock. It's his mind that he has lost.
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Lilith โ 6 years ago(July 14, 2019 06:31 PM)
I'm not pushing either agenda. I'm calling her "her" because that is what "she" is requesting. "She" has seem to done pretty much everything to transition except for the major thing,โฆand what keeps most trans from following through is money. Unless age is a determining factor, I'm not sure, as I've seen others who are older successfully transition, and that's why in the back of my mind, a tiny part of me wonders if this was some publicity stunt.
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Platonic_Caveman โ 6 years ago(July 14, 2019 06:30 PM)
I read recently that Jenner has chosen not to have sex change surgery. Like we discussed on the other thread, most transgender people do not have gender surgery. I guess even those lunatics have a man's gut reaction to protect his balls from castration.
I despise the Kardashians. Don't forget their father only became famous for defending OJ Simpson at his trial. In fact some speculate that Robert Kardashian was Simpson's accomplice on the night of the murder. These talentless women and Jenner, the whole clan, are only famous because Simpson murdered his wife.
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Lilith โ 6 years ago(July 14, 2019 06:32 PM)
I am in 100% agreement with you. (Edit: About the Jenner/Kardashian clan of screwups and their manipulative agendas).
I cannot speak as to the SRS because in my extremely limited experience, that seems to be a priority.
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Steve Lake โ 6 years ago(July 15, 2019 12:05 AM)
As usual Bob is wrong. So what's new. It would be like the 2000th time he has been wrong abput something.
So no Earth Shattering news there.
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Platonic_Caveman โ 6 years ago(July 14, 2019 11:39 PM)
Lady, if he had the surgery he was castrated. They can't make ovaries out of testes. Splicing his penis down the center and sewing it between his thighs is irrelevant. But it sounds painful.
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Lilith โ 6 years ago(July 15, 2019 12:56 AM)
How about a female who's had a hysterectomy and cannot menstruate or reproduce? Does that make her any less of a woman?
If Jenner did indeed have the surgery, while the testicles were excised, the skin is used to create the labia folds. Before SRS they need FULL electrolysis. Everywhere. And I DO mean everywhere because as Nettie pointed out, the penis is sliced into sections, the urethra is saved and tucked up and through. A cavity is created above the perineum region and the penis is inverted, while the tip of the penis is used to create a functioning clitoris so the nerve endings remain intact.
A MTF transgender cannot self-lubricate, but many women cannot self-lubricate either for various reasons, whether it's age, medications, or the glands behind the vulva are not functioning (or stimulated enough).
Men don't lubricate their anuses and need to use artificial lubricant, so I really don't see why that's a problem. There are suppositories that can be inserted so that it will "feel" like automatic, normal lubrication to help with spontaneity.
It's more like a rearrangement of tissues.
^^ This video is an illustration, and does not show any real surgical procedures or real human results. No sound.
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Platonic_Caveman โ 6 years ago(July 15, 2019 01:34 AM)
An anus is not a vagina. No one pretends it is. I've also had partners who don't use lube. It's not always necessary. But a real vagina lubricates. The point here is that doctors cannot splice and dice and concoct a facsimile as good as a real vagina or comparable to the penis they've just mutilated.
So they use the skin off a guy's balls? Wonderful, waste not want not. But they throw away the testes, the most important determinant of biological sex.
My position here is that sex change operations are perhaps the worst sort of oppression against transgender people. These doctors are forcing people to conform their body to a social gender role. I thought this was supposed to be about people being allowed to be themselves? They are their body. Nobody is trapped in the wrong body. How holistically stupid. That's an insane analogy which reminds me of that sad guy who thinks he's an alien.
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Lilith โ 6 years ago(July 15, 2019 01:43 AM)
But just like "gay marriage," no one is "forcing" SRS on any transgender person. But why not make it available, a choice, for those people who want it, those who will feel more comfortable with the full transition?
If a trans person does not want SRS, they are perfectly free to NOT get it done and to continue to live their lives however they want.
If a trans person DOES want SRS, they are perfectly free TO get it done and to live their lives however they want.
There ARE people who accept a trans female with a penis as a female. You said yourself when thinking that Jenner did not have SRS, you referred to her as a him (didn't you? Or was that someone else? I'm losing track, as you and I have had these particular debates since we very first 'met' each other). Until or unless society accepts a trans person as their gender without regards to their genitals, it will never help in encouraging one to "accept" their body.
But I want to make it perfectly clear, I am pro-choice. IF someone has a desire to have SRS in order to feel complete with their identity, they should feel just as free to have the surgery if that is their choice.
Their body, their choice. And they are making a choice which affects their own body and no one else's. It is not the same as FGM being done to Muslim girls or circumcision being done to male infants, all by the parents' choices.
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โ 6 years ago(July 15, 2019 02:07 AM)Jazz Jennings went through the surgery because she was unhappy with her genitalia
She's a girl so it's understandable. She's been a girl starting at a very young age
I know people get hung up on what's on the outside but our brains are the real sex organ
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Lilith โ 6 years ago(July 15, 2019 02:14 AM)
Yes, I'm familiar with Jazz. She has a TV series too, doesn't she?
That's what I'm referring to. It's not for everyone. In particular, female-to-male is extremely difficult as they use tissue from the forearm or back or thigh to form a makeshift penis which doesn't resemble a natural penis. Male-to-female is far more successful but nothing is without risk.
There are legitimately people who need the surgery to feel complete for their identity, and there are others who don't really care.
This was an excellent movie:
I loved the line, "every woman is entitled to a little mystery."
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Platonic_Caveman โ 6 years ago(July 15, 2019 02:30 AM)
So should someone with body integrity disorder be allowed to cut off a healthy limb?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_integrity_dysphoria
Should that "alien" guy be allowed to have all his sexual organs removed?
https://www.catersnews.com/stories/real-people/young-man-spends-50000-to-look-like-alien-and-plans-to-have-genitalia-removed/
Should the medical establishment perform any surgery desired by anybody if it's unnecessary for their health?
You didn't address that the medical establishment is performing surgery on people to make them conform to social gender roles. I've also seen stats that about 40% of post-op transsexuals attempt suicide.
Can mentally ill people with body dysphoria make a decision of informed consent?
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