She's married to TOBY?
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bondgirl6781 — 19 years ago(December 16, 2006 08:32 PM)
It just shows that to all those guy out there who don't look like Brad Pitt or George Clooney.that a woman looks for what's withinI think their marriage is the coolestright up there with Bogey and Bacall:) Go, Richard Schiff, he's married to the founder of The S Factor!
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TobyWayne — 18 years ago(December 22, 2007 06:42 PM)
Right, and how often does a man look for what's within?
How often does a really good looking guy who's not fat end up with some pudgy chick with a plain face?
While it's hard to be an ugly guy, ib68t's way way harder to be an ugly woman. -
lilruffryda88 — 18 years ago(February 21, 2008 08:22 PM)
Many people wouldn't agree with that kind of thinking at all Toby. It's a shame you would make such a comment.
Still, let's not allow this thread to become a mess of bickering and fact stating, I'm sure we're all informed in basic gender theory. -
lilruffryda88 — 18 years ago(March 06, 2008 01:09 AM)
I'm not saying it isn't possible, but don't you think it goes against rationalism to perpetuate the idea that good looking guys are all superficial and that unattractive women will have a harder life than men?
What you're doing in your posts is generalizing a massive group of people (akin to racism, facism, prejudice, etc.), and passing judgment on them. You know that's wrongeveryone doesit's just easier to think that everything isn't your own fault but the fault of others, say, attractive males. -
Milkyway123 — 17 years ago(June 14, 2008 06:30 PM)
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bondgirl6781
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"It just shows that to all those guy out there who don't look like Brad Pitt or George Clooney.that a woman looks for what's within"
Are you saying that a man, or even a woman, can't be beautiful both on the inside and outside? I hate it when people bring forth cliches like that.
Acting like you can only have one or the other and not both.
It's like you are trying to comfort yourselves: "hey, 'they' may have outer beauty, but not inner beauty".
And if you find someone with a beautiful outside as inside, why wouldn't you chose and want that, compared to the one who has just one of those?
I am aware that I have presented a immature scenario above (with the whole: "chose one without"), I'm only trying to get my point across.
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TobyWayne
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"Right, and how often does a man look for what's within?
How often does a really good looking guy who's not fat end up with some pudgy chick with a plain face?
While it's hard to be an ugly guy, it's wa2000y way harder to be an ugly woman."
I definitely agree with you Toby! The pressure of being beautiful has always existed with women.
Some may say:
"yeah, well, men has it hard nowadays too with looking a certain way, with all advertisement and such"
. While that is true, like I said above, looking a certain way, being a certain way =an ideal, has been with women through all the ages, while with men it is a new phenomenon.
Men are "supposed" to look a little ugly/rough (pretty boys are a new thing also), cause men are suppose to be 'brute creatures', they can afford to be little "ugly". We have old guys like Sean Connery, geeks like the Napoleon Dynamite guy, losers like George Costanza from Seinfeld, the "ordinary" guys like Richard Schiffer, muscle men like Schwarzenegger, scruffy and beat-down guys like Clive Owen, all so different, but they are desired and celebrated as beautiful, sexy and so on. Women don't get away with that. There are just beautiful women, period.
Note: this is not necessarily my beliefs, I'm just presenting a viewpoint.
While women has through history been seen and perceived as 'soft gentle creatures' and with a description like that, any type of uglyness can't follow.
It is women that are being encouraged since day 1, to be 'beautiful and proper', to play with dolls and wish to be a princess and all that sort of things.
The men have been encouraged to think and act. The women have been encouraged to just look beautiful. A totally different set of values and ideas have been encouraged to respective gender.
It is women who have had in the last 30 years or so shoved in their faces billboards, magazines, movies; with one objective in mind: women=beautiful. The pressure is on women to meet an ideal.
And at last this is what men wants and expects: the ideal.
We have movies, tvshows, reality shows (how many reality shows aren't there out there about a gorgeous woman picking between ugly men, and not a single show about the other way around?), fairytales that tells stories about: a ugly frogging who meets a beautiful girl and they fall in love.
A beautiful woman is suppose to see the beauty inside the ugly man and be with him, cause every man deserves a beauty on his side. While the "ugly" women are suppose to be with and deserve? It is a stupid unfair hypocritical way of thinking that really unfortunately exists.
The only movie or anything that I can think of where a good looking guy meets and falls for a "ugly" girl is the awful movie:
She's All That
and the "ugly" girl was played by a gorgeous girl!
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TobyWayne — 17 years ago(July 15, 2008 07:56 PM)
Word. It's total beep A lot of times though women make it worse for other women. Ever notice a group of chicks with one or two really hot ones in there? The other chicks fawn all over them and appoint the hot chicks as the leaders of the pack. Not so with guys.
Among guys, being goodlooking alone does not guarantee anything. Being short is a big problem in guy society. But apart from that, average guys don't ass-kiss goodlooking guys the way average women worship beautiful women.
You would never see guys degrade themselves and gush all over handsome men like Sean Connery and Pierce Brosnan. But have you heard a group of women talk about Audrey Hepburn or Marilyn Monroe. All the sighing and oohing and aahing. It's disgusting at some fundamental level.
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cabooklover — 17 years ago(September 10, 2008 10:03 PM)
I was actually commenting on the fact that she tends to play zany characters and Richard goes with more serious roles, which translates into how I see them as people I guess. I just thought if he'd be married to anyone it would be like the woman who played his wife on The West Wing. I've always thought he was a great looking guy, my comment absolutely had nothing to do with looks.
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rogerscorpion — 17 years ago(January 23, 2009 01:52 AM)
That's intriguing, cabook. It's a phenomenon I've commented on, to friends. It is that, in film & TV, couples usually are cast, based upon appearance. In real like, though, people couple based on many other criteria. Look @ Anne Bancroft & Mel Brooks.
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