She drove him crazy?
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angel_eyez121004 — 18 years ago(July 26, 2007 08:14 PM)
Well Jim's bodyguard said that they fought a lot and Pam was the one who usually started it. He said that Pam drove Jim cr2000azy and he was getting to the point where he didn't know what to do anymore.
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Doc-McCoy — 18 years ago(August 01, 2007 03:35 PM)
She also went through his money like crazy, either injecting it into herself or pissing it away in a flower boutique, which she idea no idea how to operate correctly (business-wise).
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sunshine09 — 18 years ago(August 02, 2007 09:40 PM)
I think their relationship was the love-hate kind. They had been together since he first started in the Doors and they just stayed together, straying to others on occasion, while they both went into a downwward spiral. I've read a story about Pamela and how she'd throw things, anything she could get her hands on at whoever she was fighting with. I'm sure they drove eachother crazy.
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Doc-McCoy — 18 years ago(September 25, 2007 04:25 PM)
I don't like her either. Except for Ray Manzarek, who has spent the last 36 years attempting to white-wash the Morrison myth, few if any friends or associates of Morrison has said anything good about her.
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APDallas — 18 years ago(September 26, 2007 06:29 PM)
yeah I don't think the guys in the band thought that highly of her. Maybe at the start of The Doors everyone was chummy but it changed after a while.
Ray bumped into Pam a couple of years afte16d0r Jim's death, so they obviously weren't very close at all. For the last 30 odd years Ray portrays the Romeo and Juliet romantised view of Jim and Pam.
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Doc-McCoy — 18 years ago(September 27, 2007 06:58 AM)
Nobody thought highly of her - not the band themselves, their managers, their producer, Morrison's bodyguards, drinking buddies, or anyone else tied to the group. And the other Doors resented the fact that Pam was constantly trying to get Morrison to leave the group, by playing the others off against him by telling him things like "did you hear what John (or Ray or Robby) said about you?"
Ray's romantcizing of Pam is part of his on-going attempts to perpetrate, as you said, the "Romeo and Juliet" version of that relationship.
Although Morrison loved Pam he also hated bullsh-t, so I wonder what his opinion would be of all of Ray's effort to present a white-washed (false) version of his life with Pam.
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MortSahlFan — 6 years ago(September 06, 2019 05:33 PM)
yup, not to mention all those trips to Africa.
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slsbas — 18 years ago(October 11, 2007 06:27 PM)
Jim's first love and the one who really broke his heart was Mary Werbelow. They met when he was a teen living in Clearwater Florida. She was the true inspiration for "The Crystal Ship", "The End" and a few other songs as well.
Mary followed Jim out to L.A. when he left for there and their relationship couldn't survive his sudden fame and descent into alcoholism. He tried to contact her throughout his career and she was always evasive and distant. He never really got over her, writing countless journals and poems about her and was even turned down when he asked her to marry him. She has kept silent all these years and now at age 60, she has spoken about him for the first time. Pamela Courson was Jim's ,"Girl Of Summer". To say that they had a tumultuous relationshb68ip is an understatement. They had great sex, got high together and basically tortured each other until his death. Out of the countless women Jim took to bed, in the end he always managed to return to her. Was it true love? Or was it more misery demands company? Only they knew.
For the record, Pam was an addict, just like Jim was, (alcoholism, drugs). Anytime you have addiction at the forefront of a relationship, things can turn nasty as it did for them both. -
sphinx1998 — 13 years ago(July 15, 2012 11:04 PM)
Just read your comment slsbas and I totally agree with you. Pam and Jim had a Toxic realationship, that can be hard to break free from. Jim had a solid three year realationship with Mary Werbelow and the songs/poems that he had written about that were truly beatifaul and had heaps of depth. Sadly their realtionship came to an end as he was getting started with the doors appartly she ended it, but he still kept in contact with her until two years before he died (she had gone to India to study and they lost contact). You can hear when he laments in song Away, Away, Away in India, most people think it's a reference to Mary. I also read somewhere that Jims sister Anne talked about Mary once and stated what a nice person she was and how much she liked her.
Like most addicts Pam loved Herion and both she and Jim had various realationships with lots of other people while still together,I also read that Pam realy did drive him crazy but he just didn't know how to handle the situation.
Alot of flack is given to Jim's parents about not wanting him to join the doors, Mary apperantly felt the same way. Although the doors gave us some great music I understand their concern and in hindsight an early death a 27 probbly had their worst fears realized. -
sameruthie — 9 years ago(February 10, 2017 01:05 AM)
Morrison said while in a lunch in Paris with Leon Barnard and Kathy Lisciandro that Pamela was the one who had gotten under his skin, that she was his cosmic mate. He felt that he couldnt live without her, that she was the one that he always returned to and she was the complement to his existence; that he was considering giving up the whole rockstar persona thing, that it had reached its conclusion.