The Potter Series is Neoliberal Garbage
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Karl Aksel — 4 years ago(March 09, 2022 01:24 PM)
I usually like Shaun, but I couldn't watch beyond his patently absurd declaration that Rowling is a "committed and very vocal opponent of trans rights" - listing, of course, no examples, and smugly putting it aside as other Youtubers have allegedly dealt with it extensively. "It is an irrefutable fact that she's a ****, but we're not going to talk about that here." How nice of you to open by poisoning the well, Shaun. What a guy.
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MagneticMonopole — 4 years ago(March 09, 2022 01:47 PM)
It's been a long time since I paid attention to the TERF issue around Rowling but I seem to remember it being pretty solidly established that she's definitely a complete ass on the subject, so I was okay with him not bothering to retread old ground.
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Karl Aksel — 3 years ago(June 06, 2022 08:12 AM)
so I was okay with him not bothering to retread old ground.
Then why mention it in the first place?
He does do an incredible job showing just how shamelessly conservative the Potter books actually are, with examples straight out of the texts.
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MagneticMonopole — 3 years ago(June 06, 2022 10:17 AM)
Then why mention it in the first place?
Because it is true and particularly relevant in today's environment.
That's as maybe, but the opening was so childishly malicious that I couldn't make it to the main course.
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Karl Aksel — 3 years ago(June 06, 2022 01:10 PM)
Because it is true
It demonstrably is not.
and particularly relevant in today's environment.
If it's relevant, then talk about it. That's not "retreading" anything. If it's not relevant, don't mention it. That's how it works. Don't poison the well just because you don't
like
someone, especially when you have to resort to lies in order to do it. "I will now present an analysis of this author's works, but before we begin, let me remind you that the author is a very bad person." That's a pretty low brow logical fallacy.
Your loss, then.
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MagneticMonopole — 3 years ago(June 06, 2022 01:20 PM)
It demonstrably is not.
If you are denying that JK is a transphobe, then you simply haven't been paying attention. She's actively opposed legislation helping trans people and made plainly transphobic comments, multiple times.
If it's relevant, then talk about it. That's not "retreading" anything. If it's not relevant, don't mention it. That's how it works.
How it works is that he gets to talk about what he wants to talk about. And he was completely justified in his approach.
At the time he uploaded the video, JK's transphobia had already been established and discussed for years, but no one had really gone over the surprisingly conservative politics of her popular books. -
Karl Aksel — 3 years ago(June 06, 2022 03:48 PM)
If you are denying that JK is a transphobe, then you simply haven't been paying attention. She's actively opposed legislation helping trans people and made plainly transphobic comments, multiple times.
No, she has not. The legislation she opposed was one where anyone could change gender legally just by stating it, so a male rapist could be sentenced to serve in a women's prison if he wanted to. She was actually addressing the potential consequences of a spectacularly ridiculous legislation, not opposing trans rights in any way, shape or form. And feel free to post anything she has written or said which could possibly qualify as transphobic. So far I haven't seen a single thing, from anyone.
How it works is that he gets to talk about what he wants to talk about. And he was completely justified in his approach.
Sure, if he wants to look like an idiot. If he wants to be taken seriously by anyone who doesn't already agree with him, he needs to avoid logical fallacies.
At the time he uploaded the video, JK's transphobia had already been established and discussed for years,
Discussed, sure. Established? Not remotely.
but no one had really gone over the surprisingly conservative politics of her popular books.
Then that's what Shaun should have done, and any trans discussion would be completely irrelevant and only distract from his point - which
may
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MagneticMonopole — 3 years ago(June 06, 2022 05:24 PM)
Okay, I can now see that you are a transphobe bigot yourself, which is why you agree with this dumb bitch and are annoyed that Shaun referenced what non-bigots in the skeptical community already knew and have known for years.
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/. — 3 years ago(June 06, 2022 05:27 PM)
Have you ever produced an argument that wasn't an ad hominem attack? I've never seen you try to take someone's points apart. It's appeals to "Science!" (never citing actual per reviewed science, just saying the word science) or name calling.
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/. — 3 years ago(June 06, 2022 06:10 PM)
Okay, I can now see that you are a transphobe bigot yourself,
What did you expect on this board that only has hateful bigots and nazi trolls?
It's really the worst place to discuss those things. Why are you doing it?
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