Ender's Game Author chews out Rowling
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febarbieheadsfree — 17 years ago(May 04, 2008 09:37 PM)
I saw this on another forum and commented there. It's too long to post here but all I'll say is I disagree with him. There was one part in that 238long wall of crap about how J.K. should let Van Ark make a little money, then later he claims "Now she is suing somebody who has devoted years to promoting her work and making no money from his efforts"
That guy needs to reread his own post. -
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Literatur — 17 years ago(May 07, 2008 02:39 PM)
And Lexicon writers did not invent the stuff they write about and do get paid.
And people who write dictionaries did not invent the language they write about but still get money for their effort.
Same for people who write grammar-books etc. -
Reganne22 — 15 years ago(April 11, 2010 09:11 AM)
I know this comment was made 2 years ago but I just had to address how absolutely ridiculous it is. lol
The guys who make advertisements for Coke get paid and Coke's not theirs.
Yeah, they get paid by the people who own COKE to advertise their product for them. Much like how WB pay people to make Harry Potter advertisements to promote the movies, or how Bloomsbury/Scholastic pay people to make posters and advertisements to promote the Harry Potter books. This situation is in no way comparable to a guy selling a book using Rowling's characters, world and occasionally her own words. -
febarbieheadsfree — 17 years ago(May 06, 2008 06:33 PM)
And he was the only one? There are many Harry POtter sites. Does that mean they all deserve money? No way. They didn't create the information therefore they should not get money for something that's not theirs.
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northoftheriver — 17 years ago(May 12, 2008 02:59 PM)
Here here Orson Scott Card!!!
He's a fabulous writer and JKR has stolen ideas from him and Tolkein and The Bible and
The list is endless.
A reference book is not theft.
There is only one who is worthy of worship and I haven't met Her yet. NOTR -
febarbieheadsfree — 17 years ago(May 12, 2008 10:37 PM)
You can't steal from the Bible, c'mon. If that were true, the Golden Compass, Narnia, as well as LotR would be considered stolen information. There's a basic story idea and each author branched off it.
That's not stealing, it's creating.
The reference book is more like a "take things from J.K. Rowling and not credit her, while also plotting out the futures of her characters and keeping all the money they didn't earn for themselves" -
northoftheriver — 17 years ago(May 13, 2008 02:06 AM)
C'mon. I realize that you can't steal from the Bible. My point is that there is no totally original creation, especially the Harry Potter books. It's an original story but draws on many literary sources.
If I adhered to your argument every reference book would be stealing, which they are not. SVA did not make claims that his work was original. He just categorized JKR's books. That is not stealing. Her argument in my view is baseless. She did not manage to overwhelmingly convince the judge and rightfully so.
There is only one who is worthy of worship and I haven't met Her yet. NOTR -
zoltan42 — 17 years ago(May 13, 2008 04:28 AM)
"If I adhered to your argument every reference book would be stealing, which they are not. SVA did not make claims that his work was original."
Immaterial. While all instances of plagiarism are copyright violations, all copyright violations are not instances of plagiarism. The WB/JKR stance is that the bulk of the proposed book is lifted word for word from her books. Even if it is all cited correctly and attributed to her, it can still be copyright violations. If it's 100% paraphrased or 100% word for word from her books it would be easy to make a decision. It's the middle ground where things are murky. There has been no clear standard you can't cross, e.g., 40% or 50%.
Also, material must be cited correctly, with MLA standards as the general format, such as citing the exact page and chapter and using quotation marks to punctuate material taken directly from the cited work. The only thing we really have to go in is the Lexicon si1ebcte, and a scan shows it does not follow MLA. He cites chapters but not pages, which is not sufficient. Quotation marks are almost non-existent. If IF the book is indeed simply a print version of material from the site, then he does not cite material correctly.
"He just categorized JKR's books. That is not stealing. Her argument in my view is baseless."
It depends on how it was categorized. If it's all or almost all in his own words, then, yes, her suit is baseless.
"She did not manage to overwhelmingly convince the judge and rightfully so."
Neither did he.
Cheney-Voldemort '08 -
febarbieheadsfree — 17 years ago(May 13, 2008 08:24 AM)
First she stole from the Bible, then you say you can't steal from it that would be kind of confusing if I didn't understand what you meant. I just can't see how her book series is considered stolen material. C'mon.
Other reference books go off predictions of the later books or. Van Ark is just making a world of something that's not his. Doesn't help that he barely cites his work (that's from a document I read a while back) -
HarryFreakinPotter — 17 years ago(May 13, 2008 12:26 PM)
Honestly, for a guy who claims to have all this "respect" he sure does a lot of bitching about something he clearly hasn't researched properly, may I remind people that the author with the "Larry Potter" character in her book only added "and the Muggles" to the title of her novel after JKR success so she could sue Jo for plaigarism(sp?).