Hollywood Reporter: "Liberal Morons Did More Harm Than Good"
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wintermonk — 9 years ago(November 22, 2016 11:56 AM)
I loved
Firefly
and
Serenity
, so it is kind of disappointing seeing Whedon act like a typical Hollywood elitist liberal snob. And I do suspect that he and other Hollywood liberals are doing the democrat party more harm than good.
At one time, the democrat party championed the causes of people like the Joad family in
The Grapes of Wrath
. Now Hollywood liberals have contempt for people like the Joad family. They care less about whether those people have jobs and more about whether or not they are using the correct pronouns when referring to trans-gendered people, and they look down with self-righteous disdain on people who are having difficulties living paycheck to paycheck because those people have bigger concerns than the politically correct crusades Hollywood liberals can fight from their mansions behind walls and gates. -
retro4 — 9 years ago(January 05, 2017 04:48 PM)
I loved Firefly and Serenity, so it is kind of disappointing seeing Whedon act like a typical Hollywood elitist liberal snob. And I do suspect that he and other Hollywood liberals are doing the democrat party more harm than good.
Why is Joss a typical Hollywood elitist? Because he has an opinion you don't agree with. I'm sorry, but this crusade against the so called elite is getting ridiculous. You do realize that most of Hollywood elite comes from different walks of life right? And many of them come from humble, working class backgrounds that you go out of your way to defend. The so called 'elite' is nothing but buzzword people use silence opponents and manipulate angry working-middle class Americans. -
wintermonk — 9 years ago(January 16, 2017 02:29 PM)
"Why is Joss a typical Hollywood elitist? Because he has an opinion you don't agree with."
No, it's just little things like Whedon saying, on Twitter, that it would be funny if Senator Ryan was to be gored to death by a Rhino. Little things like that that come from the "compassionate" and "tolerant" and "open-minded" Hollywood liberals. That ad also reaks of condescension, as do many Hollywood movies that are constantly preaching this and that.
A wise man once said that before you want to pluck the speck out of your friend's eye, you should take the plank out of your own. Hollywood isn't what I would call a beacon of moral uprightness in the world, a light on a hill for the rest of us to look up to. Does Hollywood want to preach to the rest of the world and be taken seriously? It must first do by example.
By the way, Tom Hanks is a liberal, but he has class. I may disagree with Tom Hanks, but I'm not criticizing him.
" I'm sorry, but this crusade against the so called elite is getting ridiculous. You do realize that most of Hollywood elite comes from different walks of life right?"
And how do you know that? Got some stats.
And this ad isn't by all of Hollywood, but by Joss Whedon. He is a 3rd-generation TV/film writer. Lot of the other actors in the ad also had parents or grandparents involved in TV/Hollywood (including Robert Downey Jr., and Scarlet Johansson). Sure, SOME have blue collar backgrounds, but most?
"And many of them come from humble, working class backgrounds that you go out of your way to defend."
And now that they've succeeded and have their mansions behind walls and gates, make huge paychecks, beat out hundreds of other people auditioning, have their adoring fans constantly telling them how awesome they are, their entourages of sycophants, have agents and producers vying for their attentionyou don't think that goes to their heads? It would go to the head of most people. Especially when you've been immersed in that culture for years.
Read the soliloquy by Marcus Brutus in the play
Julius Caesar
(by Shakespeare) when Marcus Brutus worries about how Caesar will change when he is given a crown. Sure he is fine NOW. But how he will change when he ascends to the heights to which he aspires. How that will make him out of touch with the lowly people he was once a part of.
It happens.
"The so called 'elite' is nothing but buzzword people use silence opponents and manipulate angry worki5b4ng-middle class Americans. "
Silence opponents? Ridiculous, melodramatic rubbish.
Joss Whedon is free to say whatever he wants. People are free to respond. Nobody is trying to gag him. So lose the dishonest hyperbole.
The 1st-amendment goes both ways. Joss Whedon is free to say all the stupid things he wants. And we are free to call him stupid when he's saying stupid things. When he acts like a snob, people are free to call him a snob for acting that way. Deal with it.
If you disagree, and think he's a warm, caring, humble individual (even as he says, on Twitter, that it would be funny for Senator Ryan to be gored to death by a Rhino!) then go on and believe that and laud him all your heart desires. That's your 1st-amedment right: to say all the ridiculous things you want to say. -
Darwinskid — 9 years ago(January 16, 2017 08:59 PM)
Whedon also posted a picture insulting Nicole Kidman, comparing her to a puppet doll from the show Thunderbirds, and dubbed her a Trump supporter, even though Kidman never said she was all in favor of the guy or agrees with his political views.
I'm curious, is he really buddies with Adam Baldwin? Baldwin's a republican, last I checked, and he's the guy who coined the title "Gamergate" which became a real thing, and stands against Whedon's dear friend Anita Sarkeesian.
COOKIES AND MILK!-Ed -
HarveyManfredSinJohn — 9 years ago(January 17, 2017 12:35 AM)
I agree with almost eve1c84rything you've said wintermonk. Spot on about celebrities. I couldn't have put it better myself. And your reference to 'Julius Ceasar' is particularly acute; money, power, and success in particular,
do
change people, regardless of their, possibly humble, roots.
But I'm curious, why aren't you a liberal (at least in the traditional sense, as opposed to a damn neolib)? I'm a left-winger precisely because I'm against elitism, as demonstrated by the likes of Joss Whedon and other members of the Hollywood aristocracy. True left-wing politics is about addressing social mobility and opening up all industries and professions for the poor and other diverse and disadvantaged walks of life, whilst also ensuring decent, sustainable jobs for blue-collar workers who may not be academically or artistically inclined, or interested in pursuing a profession. -
wintermonk — 9 years ago(January 17, 2017 05:18 PM)
"But I'm curious, why aren't you a liberal (at least in the traditional sense, as opposed to a damn neolib)? I'm a left-winger precisely because I'm against elitism, as demonstrated by the likes of Joss Whedon and other members of the Hollywood aristocracy. True left-wing politics is about addressing social mobility and opening up all industries and professions for the poor and other diverse and disadvantaged walks of life, whilst also ensuring decent, sustainable jobs for blue-collar workers who may not be academically or artistically inclined, or interested in pursuing a profession."
Well, I'm not exactly sure what I am. To me, there is nothing inherently good about being liberal or conservative. It depends on what is needed at the time. I think it's blinding to over-identify with an ideology or a political group or a direction for the nation.
For example, is spraying water on a house a good thing? Depends on the situation. If it's on fire, it is. If it's not on fire, it isn't. It depends on what is needed at a given time.
But we don't think that way in politics. We're either liberal "Always spray water on that house!" people or conservative "Never, ever spray water on that house" people. I would rather be a "What is needed right now?" kind of person.
What is needed in the nation? Well, sometimes the nation needs to push ahead (and only in certain thingsnot everything; each issue is separate and distinct and should be treated as such) and be a little more liberal. Sometimes it goes too far and needs to pull back. But liberals, the way I see it, are over-dedicated to a push-ahead mentality. This need to continue in a direction which seems to be right.
That said, I believe liberals' motives and intentions are good. But so are the motives and intentions of conservatives. The two groups value the same things, but they don't value them equally and thus have different priorities.
For example, I think today's liberals would put fairness/justice higher on their ladder of priorities than liberty/responsibility. Conservative would put liberty/responsibility higher on their ladder of priorities. Doesn't mean that liberals don't value liberty and personal responsibilitythey door that conservatives don't value fairness or justicethey dobut their different priorities affect what they support.
Consider affirmative action. It's government stepping in and exerting a bit of influence on the hiring practices of private businesses, or the admittance of people into universities. To the liberal, this is an attempt to make a more fair and just world. So it's good! To the conservative it's an infringement on personal freedom and a cynical assumption that everyone is a racist and needs to be controlled to some degree otherwise they will get away with that racism.
So the idea of someone getting away with racism is so intolerable to the liberals that they are fine with government stepping in and trying to influence hiring practices so that no one can get away with being racist. Conservatives don't want anyone to get away with racism, but I think they understand that some racists will get away with racism anyway, despite affirmative action, so better to err on the side of liberty rather than have a micro-managing government playing big brother and keeping a close watchful eye on everything we do.
Anyway, that's kind of how I look at things. -
SpaceMonkey-Mafioso — 9 years ago(January 18, 2017 02:31 AM)
We really do need a MAJOR third centrist party in the US. We really have allowed our political system and country to be ruled by powerful people on the the far left and far right for nearly two decades now. And we've let them control the conversations. I'm sick of this bi-polar, pendulum swinging sh**. There are good ideas to be had from both sides. And most Americans actual identify as moderate. We need a dynamic centrist party that takes the ideas that work from both sides and creates new solutions for everyone - and minus all of the nasty historical baggage that the existing parties carry.
The Greatest Show on Earth is calling it quits after 154 years. Time for the donkeys and elephants of politics to ride into the sunset, too. -
brushfyr — 9 years ago(January 31, 2017 12:44 PM)
But but but everyone says the Republicans are the party of the rich so it must be true!!! If people repeat it enough it becomes fact!
Yeah, at one point the Democrats and Democrats weren't that different, but there is not denying the Democrats is the rich party now, who use racial division to get in power.
The Democrats became anti white when while guild was stronger in the country, and never changed. I still remember being a kid and watching Reginald Denny being pulled from his truck during the LA Riots. To negroes it didn't matter he was innocent, they were just being crazy.
That's when I first questioned the left wing narrative, which is blacks fail because white people exist. African nations fail because Europe succeeds. White privilege means you don't commit crimes and work hard.
There are sill a lot of low IQ eloi who think the Howard Zinn anti-white narrative is correct. I figure most of them won't breed so won't matter.
The funny thing about the hate the rich mentality the left uses is ignored for guys like Whedon. He's rich, the vast majority of his fans are not and never will be. Peersonally I'm fine with that because Whedon can stir up the emotions of stupid people by damning other white men, when Whedon will not give up his millions. Sure he'll give up a few thousand for something, but he has millions and the anti-capitalist OWS retards would still happily kiss his ass.
I still like his work, I think of him as an autistic person. he's good at fantasy and make believe but a failure at real life issues. Also like most creepy male feminist guys he's supportive of women except the one's he deems non-human and will attack. He's like Onision on youtube, a creepy dumpy man. -
wintermonk — 9 years ago(January 19, 2017 05:42 AM)
"We really do need a MAJOR third centrist party in the US. We really have allowed our political system and country to be ruled by powerful people on the the far left and far right for nearly two decades now. And we've let them control the conversations. I'm sick of this bi-polar, pendulum swinging sh**. There are good ideas to be had from both sides."
But I don't think they are as different as most people think. I see both sides exaggerating the other sides a lot. Liberals calling conservatives "fascists" and conservatives calling liberals "socialists" or "communists."
Nah, the vast majority of conservatives and liberals want a mixed economy in which most business is privately owned. Liberals and conservatives disagree a bit as to how much government should stick it's nose in the economy (liberals want more and conservatives want less), so the tug-of-war goes on. They exaggerate the other sideliberals act as if they conservative want a government that has no role in the economy, and conservatives act as if liberals want government to micro-manage every facet of the economy.
Both liberals and conservatives want a safety net. Liberals want more of a safety net than conservatives do. Each side exaggerates the other. Liberals often talk about conservatives as if they want no safety net whatsoever and simply want people to starve to death in the streets. Conservatives exaggerate liberals and talk about them as if they want to coddle everyone so that if people decide they don't want to work, government will totally take care of their every need.
Each side actually isn't all that extreme. It's just that people believe the distortions and exaggerations with which they are bombarded. I can't think of anything Obama did that was all that extreme. Nor can I think of anything former President Bush did (or Clinton or Bush Sr.) that was all that extreme.
What we have are each side exaggerating the other (slippery-slope fallacies and hyperbole galore), and each side so concerned that the other side wants to bring in communism or fascism that they are completely unwilling to compromise.
And that's the problem. We could have centrism in this country if our government leaders would compromise, but they act like allowing a tiny little tax increase, or tax decrease, would be akin to giving in to a monstrous dictator! Newt Gingrich and Bill Clinton learned to work together. They are very different sorts of people but they compromised when Clinton was president and met in the middle. Now people act like everyone in congress is either Ghandi or Attila the Hun and any compromise is giving in to evil. I don't why this is. Have we watched too many superhero movies and have come to think of everyone as either hero or villain? It sometimes seems that way. -
SpaceMonkey-Mafioso — 9 years ago(January 26, 2017 01:47 AM)
You are right: the majority on the left and right aren't that different, but people have allowed themselves to see the other side as the evil enemy. And they believe that no one could actually be in the middle. It's very black and white from their POV. And forget about civil discourse on Facebook or Twitter. Someone will eventually call someone a fascist, racist or communist.
Is a conservative who believes that late term abortions are wrong really a fascist? No.
Is a liberal who believes in affordable health care for everyone really a communist? No.
But to their opponents, they are that and worse.
Why we have allowed our country to become split like this is something that needs to be studied. Because, like you, I can't figure out why everyone has gone a little mad.
But maybe, just maybe, it's because many have stopped seeing other people as real people and now just them as symbols of ideas they either support or oppose. -
HarveyManfredSinJohn — 9 years ago(January 17, 2017 12:26 AM)
This is rubbish.
Joss Whedon's family are screenwriters. He was born into the profession. And a career in the performing arts is increasingly becoming restricted to all but the very rich and privileged who can afford to deal with thd potential rejection and pay the absurd fees for theatre school.
I know because I have several friends who had to give up seeking a career in the profession, because they didn't have the money to continue. Instead 2000they had to take up regular jobs that actually paid a regular salary.
And even those actors and filmmakers who do come from more humble roots, and there aren't many of them these days, have lost touch with the working-class, because they're the ones who made it out and left everyone else behind.
Speaking as a true social-democrat and left-winger, I agree with the previous poster you lambasted. Today Hollywood scorns the poor and working-class, ironically the very people the Democratic Party was supposed to be on the side of.
And I'm not saying I agree with bigots who have reactionary attitudes towards the LGBT community, ethnic minorities, and women's rights, but it's also clear to me that the present Democratic Party, which Joss Whedon so venerated, has lost touch with the needs of the poor as it desperately scrambles to satisfy corporate interests in Wall Street, Silicon Valley, Hollywood, and the media.
The truth is multimillionaire celebrities do not have the same economic interests as the poor (if you're a
true
left-winger you'd better understand class interests), and if a multimillionaire is voting in way, working-class people will get suspicious and thus vote the other way. That's why, as important as free speech may be, it may actually have been wise for anti-Trump celebs to have shut up during this election, instead of inadvertently pushing people towards Trump (who I despise by the way, and ultimately don't believe will be in the interests of the working-class, despite his populist rhetoric).
As a liberal, I'm sorry to say I resent Hollywood for actually hurting the Democratic Party, rather than helping it. They should have just quietly cast their ballots for Hillary and shut up, since clearly nothing any of these celebs did helped, and most likely hindered, the liberal-left. -
drmokedweed123 — 9 years ago(January 24, 2017 09:48 PM)
This election did a pretty damn good job at proving just how little people va5b4lue the opinions of celebrities. Sure when it comes to entertainment, style, makeup we're all ears. But the second they start discussing the serious issues people roll their eyes.
Hollywood is just filled with delusional, out of touch people. It's really that simple.
Not only did Hollywood do a good job at tanking Hillary's chance but it was also that whole PC/SJW culture. It was getting to the point you couldn't even disagree, question or legitimate criticize a black person without being labeled a racist bigot. If you disagreed with Hillary? Oh you're sexist.
People were tired of it. -
GayBoi1 — 9 years ago(January 27, 2017 03:05 PM)
Hollywood stars have their constitutional rights just like the rest of us, but that works both ways. We have every right to strike back and boycott them because of their behavior. That is something the insane left doesn't get.