Fu(king tragic I'm in tears
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rascal67 — 9 years ago(June 22, 2016 05:16 AM)
I think you need start respect yourself first, then you won't make any foolish and blanket statements that could confirm how simplminded and idiotic you sound. Or did you know him personally to know that he wasn't arrogant or full of himself outside of his film roles?
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Sunflower007 — 9 years ago(June 22, 2016 06:57 PM)
~ This is so sad to find out about the loss of Anton Yelchin. I just found out that he recently died.
The sadder part for me was that I was just watching him hours ago in an episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm where he played Cheryl's cousin that was vising her & Larry David. The last films I remember seeing him in was the Odd Thomas movie and the Startrek movies. My goodness Anton Yelchin was so young & talented. May God and all the saints bless his soul. Rest in peace Anton Yelchin.
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How you turned my world, you precious thing
You starve and near exhaust me
Everything I've done, I've done for you
I move the stars for no onerest in peace David Bowie
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rascal67 — 9 years ago(June 22, 2016 10:26 PM)
Such a cruel way to lose your life. Especially for a person who shined.
It appear2000s like an accidental death. How is that cruel and unnecessary? If he was murdered in cold blood, then I could go along with your gushing. Yes, to hear about his death is tragic is sad, but no need to embellish something with "unnecessary" projection because you are emotionally over-wrought. It makes you sound silly.
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rascal67 — 9 years ago(June 30, 2016 03:35 AM)
It all begins at home and there is nothing wrong with feeling compassion and empathy, but most of the simpleminded sheep just want to sympathize and gush about how tragic it is because it was someone famous. This is where they are selfish, because it is all a phony and selective fake sympathy and they think they are such wonderful human beings for being so caring and concerned. What about the average Joe, they wouldn't bat an eye unless it affected them personally?
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sylviah_online — 9 years ago(June 30, 2016 05:58 AM)
While there may be people like this, who are you to tell whose sympathy is fake and whose is genuine?
I've never been a mindless celebrity worshipper. The concept of worshipping or admiring someone just because he is famous is totally lost on me. I mainly knew Anton as Chekov. Still, the news of his death shocked me. It came as such a surprise. He was so young. He had such a crazy accident. He was part of this wonderful Star Trek cast that has such great chemistry. Now one of them is no more, and the youngest to boot. He obviously was very talented and was going to direct his first movie soon. Who knows what he would have given the world through art in the future - if only he had one.
Given that you care so much about everyday Joe (and Jane I hope): I have just watched an 18 minute video by the Human Rights Campaign that is honouring the 49 people who were shot in Orlando. Each of them is given a name and a story by one celebrity. It's called "Stop The Hate". You'll easily find it on youtube.
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rascal67 — 9 years ago(June 30, 2016 08:56 PM)
You have missed the boat about the aspect of "sympathy". Sympathy is steeped in self-pity and victim mentalities. How do you know if Yelchin would even want your sympathy? That is condescending. What you can feel, is compassion and empathy. That way you are acknowledging those that have been directly affected by the loss of someone, understanding the tragedy of an individual senselessly losing their life, yet not take on board their pain and suffering for yourself. It is not yours to take on. Being sympathetic, can also be born out of a woe is me attitude and negative projection. I choose not to be sympathetic if I can help it, after all, it does have the last 3 syllables forming the word "pathetic". A
sym
phony of patheticness. You decide.
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sylviah_online — 9 years ago(July 01, 2016 04:37 AM)
I'm not sure if you are right that the word sympathy always has a negative connotation. It has a similar meaning than compassion as far as I understand it. English is not my native language, though.
Anyway, I don't know now who brought the word sympathy into this discussion. The question is then: how do you know that what people here express is condescending sympathy instead of compassion or empathy?
I agree with you that how a fan is affected by his death is something else than how family and close friends are affected by it. But when a fan is saddened by an artist's death it doesn't necessarily mean he "takes on board their pain and suffering for himself". His loss must be unbearable for his parents, huge for his friends and everyone who knew him personally and loved him. And they deserve our empathy. But he is also a big loss to the world as an artist. And as such it is legitimate for people around the world to mourn his death.
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rascal67 — 9 years ago(July 01, 2016 05:17 AM)
It could sound like it is mincing terms,
sympathy, empathy, compassion, etc;
but many fans go on and on and gush about how wonderful and what beautiful people these film stars are when they have never even met them. Their idol might be rude, unpleasant and not give them the time of day if they were to meet them. It is all delusion and placing others on pedestals, which isn't a very wise thing to do. It is mostly silly females that do this too, and act all childish and go into denial about the "reality" of people's natures and situations. And talking about these actors, who apply their "craft" as "artists", can have pretentious connotations for me. Why was Yelchin an "artist"?
Also to answer your question, if one is "mourning" somebody they didn't know personally, then yes, they are full of condescension and phony sympathy to get the attention of others. It is all just an abstract.
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sylviah_online — 9 years ago(July 01, 2016 06:33 AM)
I think acting is a craft and an art. Like making music or painting. A good actor can transform himself into someone else, someone who is totally different from himself, in a very credible way.
I don't think things are as black and white as you paint them. Some people, or even many people, put film stars o5b4n pedestals - and other stars, too. I think it comes from a need to look up to someone. Some people chose their idols wiser than others. While some people worship celebrities just because they are famous, others admire them because of their achievements, their performances. The former, as I've said before, is a concept that is beyond me. The latter is legitimate, I feel. With some stars I can't understand why they are famous at all. Others have worked for their fame and are dedicated to their craft and art.
I think it is very important to realise that these stars are human, too - in a good and bad way, like all of us. It's not healthy to put them on pedestals and think they are gods who can do no wrong. But it's also not right to treat them as if they were just some artificial characters on a movie screen who are not allowed to have feelings, too.
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rascal67 — 9 years ago(July 02, 2016 02:57 AM)
There are always layers, depth and grey areas to many things, but sometimes black and white can fit just right. Things are what they are. However, I would say I was just being a realist in some of the points I have made. Yes, you are correct in saying that people have different reasons for why they connect with somebody famous and what they might represent for them. I myself have placed people
both famous and non-famous
up on pedestals; but I have also had to realize that they can also end up disappointing at some stage or other and this is what makes all of us human.
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