Does she look 100% caucasian to you?
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furienna — 16 years ago(July 19, 2009 02:40 AM)
Why do so many people assume that if a black person has white ancestory in them (most likely from one of their ancestors being a slave and mating with a mostly white European person), that its the white male slave owner and one of his female slaves or another female slave? As if a white female wasn't procreating with a black male slave.
Because it was far more acceptable for a white man to have sex with a black woman than for a white woman to have sex with a black man. The more modern American slavery was very similar to the slavery in ancient Greece and ancient Rome in that way. Sex between a free man and a female slave was fully acceptable. As a matter of fact, a slave almost had no right to say no, if her owner or even a foreman wanted to have sex with her. But sex between a free woman and a male slave was totally unacceptable, often even punishable by the law. It doesn't sound fair, but I think it all comes down to the fact, that women traditionally have had less sexual freedom than men.
Also, why does "history" make it seem as if all sex between a black slave and a white male was not consensual. Yes maybe symbolically speaking one would think somebody would not want to offer their body consenually for sex to their master, unless their was some underlying sexual tension and love between the two (or maybe certain sexual positions were more conducive with a black woman then for a white woman, or the slave owner knew they weren't "paying" for the sex with slave as we all know marriage is like legal prostitution (class had a debate about that once).
Of course, not all sex between a white man and a slave wasn't a rape. I didn't say that either. I believe Thomas Jefferson, for example, had a loving, almost marriage-like, relationship with a black woman, one of his slaves, and there were probably many such couples. But we can't deny either, that slaves could be raped, or that a slave basically had no right to say no, if a white man (her owner or even an "overseer") wanted to have sex with hb68er.
Now the thing is with Michael's children. They look white (little if none-african negroid back ground in them in some pictures. However, in other the pictures the boys look more latino, or have northern arabic ancestory. Its not just the skin tone, but they tend to posses more causoid features then negroid features, and you would think they would possess more of the later because negroid jeans are usaully stronger than caucasoid ones unless their enough underylying recessive from grandparents or ancestors father back to come through.
But there are people, who have a black parent, but still are white enough to look mediterranean or hispanic or middle-eastern. Michael's children aren't the first or the last ones to do so.
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daisey192001 — 16 years ago(July 19, 2009 10:00 AM)
What determined the acceptablity of w111cho determined what person(s) could have sex together. What made it taboo for a white woman to have sex with a black man back then? I think I might know some of the reasons, but didn't know for sure. Was it becase, black men were viewed as animals or what not, and it would be "unlady like" for a white woman to procreate with him, or because of the phallic symbol issue? Was it because of primogeneture and the black slave man not having property to pass down. Ok so a slave owner could have sex with his slaves whenever he wanted. Does this mean that it was never consenual between the two. What I find odd is that why is there info about women who are raped are less likely to have babies. Well, maybe the slave women were more seduced or it wasn't hard rape, to make sure they would still get pregnant. I also wonder if it was difficult on the wife of the slave owner for her husband to cheat on her. If abortion was better available back then, or if the ru86 drug existed and the black slave women could get their hands on it, would they use it. I've just heard it can be difficult to raise or love a child that you didn't tend on making in the first place especially when its through an act that you didn't fully consent to. Oh no I didn't say that you said all sex between a black woman and white man was not consensual its just the history books try to hint towards it. I have been to kingsley plantation and the slave owner married his slave. Maybe the slave women were more polite and submissive. Yeah, the reason why his children look mediteranean is because the tanning might be some of the "negroid coloring coming throug" but their eyes and nose looking more caucasoid makes them look more meditteranean, latino, or middle eastern.
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furienna — 16 years ago(July 20, 2009 04:27 AM)
I think you nailed it. It was considered "unlady-like" for a white woman to have sex with a black man. Black women weren't considered as "ladies" anyway, so they had more sexual freedom than what white women had. But they were also more likely to be taken advantage of, or even raped, than what white women were. White men maybe weren't
encouraged
to have sex with black women either, but if they did it, it wasn't such a big deal anyway. Black men, however, were basically, if not absolutely, forbidden to have sex with white wo2000men, because if a white woman had sex with a black man, she became "unpure". But since men had more sexual freedom than women, a white man didn't become "unpure" in the same way, if he had sex with a black woman. You can say, that it all comes down to not only the gender roles of the time, but also to the racism of the time.
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actionmanrandell — 14 years ago(January 28, 2012 01:28 AM)
its blacks outside of africa who have caucsion ancestory if you go to africa you wont find hardly any who have caucasion ancestory.
but just because they dont doesnt mean there children will turn out black i know a girl who is as white as a paper plate yet her father is as black as a tire.
and he is her biological father.
at it is not uncommon for a child to inherret the recessive genes from one parent over the other parent ie. its entirely possible for a child to be pure white when one parent is black its also entirely possible for a black man to have a child with a mixed woman who is mixed with both black and white and that child to inheret the recessive genes that the mother inhereted from her white father ie. all there has to be is the slightest hint of caucasion ancestory in someone and they can come out completely caucsion in appearance same can be said about a childs whos parent has the slightest african american ancestory -
nikkiten1979 — 9 years ago(September 30, 2016 07:36 AM)
Sorry, I know this thread is crazy old, but an FYI there are A LOT of mixed people in Africa trust me, I've lived there and I'm one of those Mixed Afro-peans LOL
Many Europeans countries had colonies in Africans, and nowadays there are many Europeans and Asians living in Africa - many mix and have families and it's not as taboo as it used to be.
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actionmanrandell — 14 years ago(January 28, 2012 01:23 AM)
he is there father there is no ifs ands or buts about it.
they infact look like he did when he was younger exept lighter complexion
p.s most blacks in america are infact of caucasion ancestory. most blacks outside of africa are infact of caucasion ancestory
but that has nothing to do with it because all 3 of michaels kids have a white mother
so even if he had no caucasion ancestory they could still turn out as light as they are.
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SkylinexBleedsxRed — 16 years ago(September 03, 2009 12:41 AM)
It is so stupid for people to trace ancestry dating back to the 15th century or something. Absolutely ridiculous. You come from those people, But don't base your life on your offspring's appearance by saying that you are black and have white ancestors from way back when from the boats; Or vice versa. When two black people have a child and one of those people have white ancestors down the line, It is bound to look black regardless. It isn't going to have a prominent feature of white bloodlines from a blast from the past. I have Cherokee Indian in my lineage, But I don't look it at all. Why, Because I'm sure it is too far to date back to the time. Focus on the immediate family line, Not something that happened 500 years ago.
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furienna — 16 years ago(February 04, 2010 08:59 AM)
It is so stupid for people to trace ancestry dating back to the 15th century or something. Absolutely ridiculous. You come from those people, But don't base your life on your offspring's appearance by saying that you are black and have white ancestors from way back when from the boats; Or vice versa. When two black people have a child and one of those people have white ancestors down the line, It is bound to look black regardless. It isn't going to have a prominent feature of white bloodlines from a blast from the past. I have Cherokee Indian in my lineage, But I don't look it at all. Why, Because I'm sure it is too far to date back to the time. Focus on the immediate family line, Not something that happened 500 years ago.
Two black people actually can have a white child, if they both have white ancestry. Of course, the closer that ancestry is in your family tree, the more likely it is, that it will show. But still, it's not impossible, that Michael inherited enough white blood from each of his pa238rents, that it was possible for him to father half-white children with a white woman.
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lavenderspirit2005 — 16 years ago(October 12, 2009 01:29 PM)
It doesn't matter if she looks 100% Caucasian because she and the other kids are his biologically. How do I know? Because I saw a picture of Prince Jackson that proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are all Michael's biologicallyPrince had his hand up and I saw vitiligo patches on his skin. Michael had vitiligo.
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furienna — 16 years ago(February 04, 2010 09:44 AM)
Some mixed race people appear as white Quincy Jones daughter Rashida is half black and appears as white.
Quincy Jones is 50 % white and 50 % black, so that makes Rashida 75 % white and 25 % black, which explains her white appearance. There was only a 25 % chance, that she would look black.
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dishumanature — 15 years ago(September 06, 2010 10:07 PM)
I don't understand why people are so simpleminded. If I have a child, my kids don't have to look anything like me or my family. Do you know why? Because I made a baby with someone else and their genes matter too. Michael procreated with a white woman and mixed children can come out looking so many different ways. She took after her mother, b68so what? What is the problem? Paris looks a lot like Debbie but way better looking. Gee, I wonder who's genes helped out with that. Prince has a giant vitiligo patched under his arm. Gee, I wonder where Michael Jr. got vitiligo from? I don't know why you expect Michael's kids to look like him. They have a mother, a white mother at that. HER GENES MATTER TOO!
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actionmanrandell — 14 years ago(January 28, 2012 01:02 AM)
she infact doesnt look 100% white she infact looks like mixed infact so does her brothers.
there are plenty of black people out there who had achild with a caucsion person and there children infact look caucsion.
and even if mj was gay that doesnt mean a damn thing since there is such a thing as test tube babys infact in our day and age drs can infact isolate specific genes in a parent and literally control what a child looks like
ie if you were to date a chinese person and have a test tube baby with said person you could isolate the genes from you so the child doesnt come out with to much asian features
(r.i.p Michael I love you)