Psy is NOT Anti-American
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Oasysic — 13 years ago(December 08, 2012 11:35 AM)
Your response proves why a separate topic needs to be made as there are people who aren't actually bothering to read the article that was provided and are just running on someone's misleading headline that removes key information.
Nowhere in the song that Psy performed in 2004, which again was not his song, does he say to kill "all Americans". So your analogy is no good.
There are those that misrepresent the fact that even in the translation given the lyrics were specifically in reference to those U.S. soldiers that were responsible for specific incidents that many South Koreans were protesting about. -
Oasysic — 13 years ago(December 09, 2012 12:56 AM)
If you really are "well aware of what the article says" then you are purposely misrepresenting the situation. First of all, how was Psy supposed to apologize about something that happened 8 years ago and no Americans were aware of? It was a long time ago and the man is different now. Also as he has said he never expected for his song to make a crossover. It was put online just like any other piece of media and it became viral worldwide, not just the U.S.
Second, you have not one now but two pieces of information that give context to what was going on. However you ignore them by mentioning what he did but not giving the context. Like you mention write now, "He performed those songs and demonstrated his hate by smashing U.S. tank replicas" despite both the article and I specifically pointing out what the meaning of his smashing the U.S. tank was. Him smashing the U.S. tank replica was in reference to two 14 year old South Korean girls getting run over by a U.S. tank and the drivers of that tank getting acquitted.
This isn't me being an apologist since Psy has already apologized for his manner of expression at that time but to act as if he had no reason to be upset and falsely claim that he "hates America" is just being dishonest.
He called for the deaths of the soldiers' families. How much more anti-American do you need to be?
Again, you are purposely not giving the full context. He was not calling for the deaths of all U.S. soldiers. There were lines in a rap that he did specifically about the U.S. soldiers involved in the torture of Iraqis and the deaths of two Korean school girls. Nowhere was that talking about all Americans and hating everything America. -
Oasysic — 13 years ago(December 09, 2012 05:33 AM)
Whether or not there are South Koreans that blame the U.S. for tensions between North and South Korea that had nothing to do with what Psy was involved with. Psy was a part of the protests that were sparked from the incidents that I laid out at the start of this thread. All of this is detailed in the article you and I linked.
You keep misrepresenting the situation and leave out key information that gives context. The lyrics he rapped make it clear and you purposely ignore them:
Kill those beep Yankees
who have been torturing Iraqi captives
Kill those beep Yankees
who ordered them to torture
That is not talking about all Americans. That's not even talking about all the U.S. troops. That is talking about those "who have been torturing Iraqi captives" and those "who ordered them to torture". It cannot be made any more clearer.
When he picked up the U.S. tank replica and destroyed it that was in reference to the deaths of the two South Korean school girls that were killed by a U.S. tank. It was hardly a subtle reference.
All of that was in specific association with specific incidents that had to do with those involved. Not all Americans and not all of America.
The expression in those lyrics were harsh and he has apologized for it. However to ignore the whole context and dumb this down to that he "hates America" is dishonest pure and simple. -
Oasysic — 13 years ago(December 11, 2012 02:42 AM)
Over and over again you continually ignore everything that has been written in not one but two written pieces (i.e. the article I linked at the start of this thread, my own thread) that puts this entire situation into context. That proves that you are not interested in honest discourse.
You keep pushing your agenda despite evidence that shows Psy was only addressing those involved in the incidents that were noted. Not all Americans and not even all of those that serve in the U.S. military. Even the reference of the families was only aimed at those that were involved in torture of Iraqis and the ones that killed the two Korean school girls with a tank.
The lyrics were very offensive but they were in also in song. Musicians, singers and rappers have said offensive things in music all the time. That's different than making an official statement of some kind. Speaking of official statements, Psy has made one to apologize for those very offensive lyrics. -
Oasysic — 13 years ago(December 12, 2012 05:23 AM)
If you think there is no difference in expression in a song versus actually making declarations then you simply don't understand music. Singers, rappers, musicians, etc have all said nasty things in song that they never actually did or may not mean literally like they expressed it in song. Johnny Cash famously sang about shooting someone just to watch them die. Should he have been arrested? No one confused him with a psychopath.
I did bring up everything that the song was talking about. The non-combatants is not as wide of a remark as you try to make it to be. The lyrics are clear that it was referring only to those involved in the torture of Iraqi captives and those that gave the orders to do it. The "Kill their daughters, mothers, daughters-in-law and fathers/Kill them all slowly and painfully" was of only the ones that did the torture and gave orders to torture. It was not in reference of every American and every solider in the U.S. military. That is obvious from the translation.
You are not reacting reasonably because you purposely keep ignoring this information. That unreasonable behavior is proven again with your last reply by claiming that I "only signed up on IMDB to sound off on this anyway". That's ridiculous. I signed on in late August and that information is displayed right on my profile. -
randir14-1 — 13 years ago(December 09, 2012 11:47 AM)
Still waiting for the OP to address:
"Kill their daughters, mothers, daughter-in-law and fathers/Kill them all slowly and painfully."
I guess it doesn't suit his argument which is why he continues to ignore it. -
davemerino — 11 years ago(May 23, 2014 07:47 PM)
Thanks for posting seperately, so the link doesn't get lost in all the Republican/tea baggery /Faux hewes fake outrage. Where was all their outrage when Bushy 'W' went all nukelar on a country that had nothing to do with 9/11? They aren't outraged that all those American soldiers died so Chin Cheney could have his war profits for Halliburton. Where is their outrage that Bushy tanked our economy, lost us a decade of technological and medical iinovation, lost the surplus we "Democrats" built up in the late 90s? Ohh and by the way, the freaking word is NUCLEAR, not Nukelar (Bushy, Palin and others who say Nukelar). Now about PSY, dear God I can't stand him and his 1 hit which got annoying very quickly. It's the Only thing more annoying than "Happy". Thank you very much, don't forget to tip the waitstaff, and we'll be here all weekend. Lol