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Darkon007 — 11 years ago(June 20, 2014 11:49 AM)
I would say that you need to try to understand the Catholic concept of heaven before you go condemning him. Heaven is not a place, like Yonkers. It is a reservoir for the spirit (soul.) Your spiritual journey through Jesus does not end with your physical life. Consider this possibility everyone goes to heaven, but your 'bliss' is your relationship with God. Those who have a nonexistent relationship with God will feel a constant and powerful want. They may not even understand why this want is so powerful.
The want may even reach to a level of physical pain. The idea is that you determine your distance from God, not He. But, this is just a way to express an idea about heaven. I know that I cannot possibly understand the true nature until I arrive (maybe not even then.)
What people call the One God, is immaterial. You can call Him the Creator, God, Yahweh, Jehovah, Allah or Bob. Whatever helps you focus your prayer. It is the faith which brings you closer. I just can't believe that you somehow have decided that you are a better messenger than the Pope. That's a level of arrogance which stretches far beyond the humility practiced by Jesus.
One more time how would you propose to welcome the lost sheep? or the prodigal son? Jesus was loving and welcoming. Why do you say differently?
For the lost sheepthe only way they can be saved is to have the Gospel preached to them. And if they accept the message they will be saved.
And as to this Catholic belief. I do not know how much you have right since I am not versed in them. I see many untruths in it.
God is not immaterial. And you cannot call Him Allah or Bob. He is real and sits on a real throne in one of the Heavens. I suggest you watch this good sermon:
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realbullet — 11 years ago(June 20, 2014 12:16 PM)
God is not immaterial
I didn't say that. Is that what your religion teaches? twist other people's words. That sounds like the very definition of the false prophet.
I said His name was immaterial. In the Bible He says, "I am, who am." I notice you did not use that as one of your names. Instead, you chose the most generic name you could "God".
For the lost sheepthe only way they can be saved is to have the Gospel preached to them. And if they accept the message they will be saved.
Notice that is the opposite of what Jesus preaches. He sat down with the sinners and spoke to them. The father ran out and welcomed the prodigal son. Which is what the Pope is doing.
And as to this Catholic belief. I do not know how much you have right since I am not versed in them. I see many untruths in it.
You can't see at all you are blind. You distort and twist the Gospel to your own version. Get away from me, you Satan.
You should read the Gospels over. Pay close attention to how different Jesus message is to yours.
Nobody is suffering in hellfire today, and the vast majority of people who have died are not in heaven. This might shock you, but its exactly what the Bible teaches.
Yes, that's the Catholic view you should try to understand it. Few souls go directly to heaven. Few people are that close to God, but all have the chance to make it there (including atheists who are otherwise good people, and gasp, Muslims.) It is only through prayer and through Jesus Christ that they call all make it to heaven, despite their sins.
Because Jesus is love, even the prodigal son can be saved. There is hope for you yet.
You know what I've figured out you just cut and paste other people's ideas. You have no understanding of your own. You don't even understand the sermons you paste.
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Darkon007 — 11 years ago(June 23, 2014 08:20 AM)
I didn't say that. Is that what your religion teaches? twist other people's words. That sounds like the very definition of the false prophet.
I said His name was immaterial. In the Bible He says, "I am, who am." I notice you did not use that as one of your names. Instead, you chose the most generic name you could "God".
The true God has many biblical names. I myself refer to Him mostly as El Shaddai
Notice that is the opposite of what Jesus preaches. He sat down with the sinners and spoke to them. The father ran out and welcomed the prodigal son. Which is what the Pope is doing.
The prodigal son seems to be a wayward believer. I mean he knows who God is and was in fellowship with him, but went his own way.
Jesus called sinners to repentence. The Pope has proclaimed that Allah and the true God are the same. Where did Paul or Peter ever equate Zeus with God?
Where did Jesus equate Zeus with God also?
And the Pope did mention that an athiest could go to Heaven. That is unscriptural. Or that all paths lead to Heaven?
Yet no one can come to the Father "except by me" according to Jesus.
You can't see at all you are blind. You distort and twist the Gospel to your own version. Get away from me, you Satan.
You should read the Gospels over. Pay close attention to how different Jesus message is to yours.
Those who hear the Gospel and reject it are not saved. They are still under God's wrath. If an athiest heard the Gospel his good deeds will not get him to Heaven.
If one of another faith heard the Gospel and rejected itno matter how good his works are he is still under God's wrath.
Again that is one of the central message of the Gospel.
Yes, that's the Catholic view you should try to understand it. Few souls go directly to heaven. Few people are that close to God, but all have the chance to make it there (including atheists who are otherwise good people, and gasp, Muslims.) It is only through prayer and through Jesus Christ that they call all make it to heaven, despite their sins.
Because Jesus is love, even the prodigal son can be saved. There is hope for you yet.
You know what I've figured out you just cut and paste other people's ideas. You have no understanding of your own. You don't even understand the sermons you paste.
Athiests and muslims who have heard the Message and rejected it will not end up in Heaven nor will they rise at the End of this Age.
That is 100% certain.
Well it was nice talking to you. And I would advise keep an eye out for this Pope. He is an interesting figure no matter how much you and I differ in our understanding of him.
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realbullet — 11 years ago(June 24, 2014 05:35 AM)
Those who hear the Gospel and reject it are not saved. They are still under God's wrath. If an atheist heard the Gospel his good deeds will not get him to Heaven.
Then why do you reject the Gospels? The ones where Jesus sits down to dine with sinners. Why do you reject the idea of "Judge not, lest ye be judged"?
Where did Jesus equate Zeus with God also?
Don't be absurd. Zeus is the leader of a pantheon of gods. He is not the one God regardless of which name you give him.
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Darkon007 — 11 years ago(June 24, 2014 02:35 PM)
Don't be absurd. Zeus is the leader of a pantheon of gods. He is not the one God regardless of which name you give him.
Allah is not the true God either. Look up Allah's history on Wikipedia please. He was a pagan deity.
Then why do you reject the Gospels? The ones whe7ecre Jesus sits down to dine with sinners. Why do you reject the idea of "Judge not, lest ye be judged"?
I don't reject that Jesus presents Himself to sinners. But He does call them to repentance. I don't think he planned to ever turn any sinner to Allah.
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realbullet — 11 years ago(June 25, 2014 03:26 PM)
You mean this reference in Wikipedia?
Allah (English pronunciation: /l/ or /l/; Arabic: Allh, IPA: [allh] ( listen)) is the Arabic name for God (al ilh, iliterally "the God"). The word has cognates in other Semitic languages, including Alah in Aramaic, l in Canaanite and Elohim in Hebrew.
It is used mainly by Muslims to refer to God in Islam, but it has also been used by Arab Christians since pre-Islamic times.
It other words, it means "God". To me that is making a big deal of nothing. Some people refer to Zeus as the "god of thunder", Mars is "the god of war" neither of those phrases change the meaning of "God" as the one, true God.
It matters what they believe. There are other issues with Islam which are important. I trust the Pope is discussing these with them.
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Darkon007 — 11 years ago(June 26, 2014 07:15 AM)
It other words, it means "God". To me that is making a big deal of nothing. Some people refer to Zeus as the "god of thunder", Mars is "the god of war" neither of those phrases change the meaning of "God" as the one, true God.
It matters what they believe. There are other issues with Islam which are important. I trust the Pope is discussing these with them.
The differences between Allah and God are too many for them to be one and the same.
The Koran states that Jesus was just a prophet. Not the Messiah for one thing.
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Mystic_Fox — 11 years ago(June 26, 2014 08:04 AM)
The Koran states that Jesus was just a prophet. Not the Messiah for one thing.
There are Jews who think he was blasphemer and false prophet, but you still try to say they worship the same God as you.
Of course there are differences between Islam, Judaism and Christianity, but the point is that Islam is more closely related to Judaism and Christianity then it is to Arabic paganism. -
Darkon007 — 11 years ago(June 29, 2014 07:00 AM)
There are Jews who think he was blasphemer and false prophet, but you still try to say they worship the same God as you.
Of course there are differences between Islam, Judaism and Christianity, but the point is that Islam is more closely related to Judaism and Christianity then it is to Arabic paganism.
So let Pope is not doing what Peter and Paul. They both preached that Jesus was the Messiah boldly.
Many rejected the Gospel. Others accepted it. That is how it is expected to be done.
Trust me the Pope is the Pied Pontiff. He clearly wants to at least bring some religions together. He is not interested in preaching the Messiah boldly like Paul and Peter did. -
realbullet — 11 years ago(June 26, 2014 02:03 PM)
The Koran states that Jesus was just a prophet. Not the Messiah for one5b4 thing.
And that would be an example of something that he would speak to Islamic leaders about not "Could you change the term you use to call God? We're not buying the Allah thing."
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Darkon007 — 11 years ago(June 29, 2014 06:57 AM)
And that would be an example of something that he would speak to Islamic leaders about not "Could you change the term you use to call God? We're not buying the Allah thing."
He won't tell them though. A fry cry from Paul and Peter preaching the Messiah to the unconverted gentiles and Jews. -
realbullet — 11 years ago(June 30, 2014 01:02 PM)
He won't tell them though. A fry cry from Paul and Peter preaching the Messiah to the unconverted gentiles and Jews.
I'm sure that he did. His greater concern would likely be freedom for Christians to worship in their countries.
I know something you don't know I am ambidextrous!