Was this the big fundamental problem w/ the Timothy Dalton era?
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TheSharkFromJaws — 9 years ago(October 22, 2016 12:54 PM)
No.
The Living Daylights was a very popular movie and also a successful one. No, it wasn't Goldfinger popular, but neither were the prior few Moore flicks.
Licence to Kill was a relative disappointment financially because of bad marketing decisions and very stiff competition. However, it was still a reasonable critical success.
Dalton was all set for a third film and probably one or two additional films, but it was derailed by the studio's financial struggles.
Modern perspective of the Dalton films not being accepted is the result of rewriting history due the commonly spread idea that Dalton was booted after LTK "bombing", which is obviously untrue but since it's such a firm and longstanding belief with general audiences, it's difficult to tell people otherwise.
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rich_bruce — 9 years ago(October 22, 2016 04:37 PM)
Yeah, where failure myths failed over time for ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE and more recently QUANTUM OF SOLACE, LICENCE TO KILL is an easy target.
One true problem with the Dalton era: he never got the big third mission like GOLDFINGER or THE SPY WHO LOVED ME.
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pking-2 — 9 years ago(October 22, 2016 11:14 PM)
You're not getting much support here, but I in a broad sense agree with you.
Dalton's portrayal was not really supposed to be a crowd pleaser, at least not via comedy or satire. But a Fleming-reader pleaser through a more faithful, if grim, take on things.
Perhaps its your semantic construct that this is a "big fundamental problem" when it isn't, to many, a problem, in terms of entertainment.
But it
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somewhat of a problemat the box office. Love it or hate it, Dalton's era was unimpressive and disappointing at the box office compared to
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the other Bond eras, overall, maybe even more of a concern than even Laz/OHMSS from a franchise profit/relevancy/survival/business point of view. Which has nothing to do with what anyone enjoys, really.
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Ronsin1976 — 9 years ago(October 24, 2016 09:16 AM)
Well with Dalton you have a more serious Bond, which to some was a boring one. I mean look at Moore's Bond, he's the kind of guy you could drink a half pint with down at the pub and tell jokes all day long. I could not imagine doing that with Dalton's Bond. Moore was more self-deprecating, a wee bit for my liking. People like a lad who is willing to have a joke at his expense.
But it was somewhat of a problemat the box office. Love it or hate it, Dalton's era was unimpressive and disappointing at the box office compared to all the other Bond eras,
Dalton's Bond wasn't a complete letdown outside of the U.S. His two movies did reasonably well in Europe. I remembered the summer of 1989 being a strong season for movies. A reason why they release the films now towards the latter part of the year (e.g. November).
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pking-2 — 9 years ago(October 24, 2016 10:23 AM)
All Bond movies and eras have been profitable, so when Dalton (or AVTAK or TMWTGG or OHMSS etc) is under scrutiny we are discussing the difference between fantastic profit vs. disappointing profit, but always profit nonetheless. And yes, LTK's biggest eyebrow raiser was its weak US box office.
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HugeDaiCottermee — 9 years ago(October 26, 2016 04:41 AM)
Verily I say unto theeyour statements are certainly simple there is no doubt and kudos to LICENCE TO KILL for the violence contained within it.I watch films and US TV shows ten times more violent practically every day of the week and revel in them.Have you ever seen THE WALKING DEAD for example? LTK is like a Disney film in comparison.