Carrie (76) vs. Carrie (2013)
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Brexit Means Borders โ 6 years ago(August 07, 2019 04:10 AM)
These movies are proof that a great film isn't just a great screenplay, but also how it's directed: how what's written is translated to film. Good directors can make a a bad screenplay watchable, and bad directors can make a good screenplay a bad movie.
Both movies have the same basic script, there are differences here and there, but it's the same story. The original, however, is a haunting masterpiece, the new one, is decent, doesn't match the epic creepiness. Some notes:
Obviously for one, to call the score better in the original is an understatement. The score in the original is an unnerving masterpiece that fit each scene per- The Miss Dejardin/Carrie bathroom scene.
Miss Desjardin sees Carrie crying in the bathroom, to which Carrie tells her Tommy has invited her to the prom. Miss Desjardin suspects something is up, but nevertheless tries to make Carrie feel better. In the 76 version, Miss Desjardin (Collins) tells Carrie she'd look beautiful, offering her makeup tips, and then we get a haunting shot of the camera zooming in on her face - letting us know she doesn't believe what she's saying - before it cuts to her scolding Sue and Tommy. Generically done in the newer one. - Ending
In the book, Stephen King showed the aftermath of Carrie's death, where she really did have a tombstone that read "Carrie White burns in hell." In the De Palma film, this becomes Sue's dream sequence. The new ending has Sue visiting the tombstone, and ending, nothing chilling. It plays out like a Lifetime movie ending. Nothing beats the hand popping out of the ground, the music change, and Sue waking up screaming - that will have lasting impact. - Piper Laurie
No one will ever come close to the performance Piper Laurie gave as Carrie's mom. Anyone else who tries will fall flat. She was born for the role, and each line she delivered was bone-chilling perfect. - Creepy tension/atmosphere
The tone in the original had a haunting, eerie atmosphere to it that was absent in the remake. The tone is helped by both De Palma's directing and that menacing score.
In the original, the way Carrie's house looked after she attended prom and goes up to take a bath was done effectively well, with the candles throughout the house. It was dark, morbid, paranormal. This is lost in the new one. The colors were just too bright. - Carrie's Telekinesis
Now that we have CGI, we have more shots of Carrie doing fancier things with her abilities, such as making mirror pieces fly, seeing mirrors break in great detail.
But I much prefer the original, when Carrie's used her powers much more subtly, when we only saw things like glass breaking, and a book falling off a shelf - there was a build-up with the use of powers, starting off slowly, only hinted at, before going full force at the prom scene.
The comic relief shot of Carrie sewing her prom dress, but using her telekinesis to work the pedal, would never be in the original, it'd ruin the tone. This should have never been in the movie.
Anyway:
Pros of new one:
Miss Dejardin living. That's the only thing I'd change about the original.
I wish De Palma didn't do a "**** it" and kill everyone else at the end. At least the new one cared about the follow-up of its characters.
Chloe's Carrie would make a good girlfriend. She seems sweet if you're nice to her. I wouldn't have to worry about her killing me with her abilities, because I'd be nice to her and show her true romance.
Thoughts?
- The Miss Dejardin/Carrie bathroom scene.
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NZer โ 6 years ago(August 07, 2019 04:18 AM)
I agree with you 100%. Sometimes it's hard to pinpoint the subtle things that make for superb chemistry and and unforgettable moments. You did a good job.
I was sorry about Miss Dejardin too. Collateral damage I suppose. -
Brexit Means Borders โ 6 years ago(August 07, 2019 04:22 AM)
Miss Dejardin lives in the Stephen King novel.
De Palma changed it so Carrie kill her.
I still however think the movie could have been just as effective/haunting if Carrie spared her, with the shot of her saving her from the electrocution and throwing her on stage. It would have showed Carrie spared those who showed kindness to her.
As great as 76 is, it's IMO the movie's only mistake. It makes the entire build-up of her character pointless, who took Carrie under her wing, if she is generically killed with the rest of 'em. -
Brexit Means Borders โ 6 years ago(August 07, 2019 05:51 AM)
I thought the prom scene when they're filming themselves with their iPhones and live streaming it on Youtube killed the creepy vibe.
The original had no social media. In the new one, everyone's filming videosโฆit takes away from the tension that these characters are confined to this dreary worldโฆ
And televising Carrie's first period during the prom was overkill. Just her being covered in the blood was enough embarrassment. The video took away the impact from an originally aesthetic scene.
Chloe was super cute as Carrie, though. That's the one plus. Gosh, so cute. Them dimples. That smile. -
Alpha Raven Andromeda โ 6 years ago(August 07, 2019 04:52 AM)
Thoughts?
Yes.
These movies are proof that a great film isn't just a great screenplay, but also how it's directed: how what's written is translated to film. Good directors can make a a bad screenplay watchable, and bad directors can make a good screenplay a bad movie.
Both movies have the same basic script, there are differences here and there, but it's the same story. The original, however, is a haunting masterpiece, the new one, is decent, doesn't match the epic creepiness. Some notes:
I had issues with those two statements. They are inaccurate. I'm not going to pick it apart because you'd be offended that a black woman knew more than you. Then posters would troll me.
I don't feel like being harasssed over a movie analysis. Besides, you didn't care about film analysis until you saw my discussion with NZer about la femme Nikita and Point of No Return. Also, nobody here gives a crap about movie analysis. It's always been that way on filmboards. -
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Brexit Means Borders โ 6 years ago(August 07, 2019 05:20 AM)
I don't care that you're a black woman??? (at least not in this context. If I was lookin' for someone to sit on my face than a black woman might come in handy.)
What issues? I think you just misunderstood.
I'm saying that one can adapt two movies from the same screenplay, and one could be bad, and one could be good, depending on how it's directed and acted.
Psycho is an example of this. Psycho 1960 was excellent while Psycho 1998 was bad, despite same script.
Batman Returns is an example, IMO. I think it's a really ****ty screenplay. But Tim Burton made a pretty film to look at, with the set design, costume design, the snowy Christmas setting with the noir look, how the white snow contrasted against the dark buildings. The exterior scenes were almost black-and-white, but it wasn't. The opening scene with the shot of Pee Wee Herman looking at the window, in fully detailed garb. The wide shot of Catwoman reveal looking outside of her apartment window, with the neon lights. Those things matter. If some ****ty director made that, it could be a really ****ty movie.
Also, nobody here gives a crap about movie analysis.
I don't care. I do it for myself mainly. -
Put on a Happy Face โ 6 years ago(August 31, 2019 03:10 AM)
I'm a stickler for following the original source material to a relative degree. The only thing I would have changed about the prom scene is having the teacher survive.
And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane
By those who could not hear the music. -
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Disney โ 6 years ago(August 31, 2019 02:41 PM)
Thatโs one youโd watch if youโre looking for the most faithful to the book page for page and not interested in how good the film is in itself. It has a Lifetime made-for-tv feel; more of a biopic less a visual horror. Performances were meh.
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