Don't understand the dislike for Turnabout Intruder
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BenjiCarver — 9 years ago(October 17, 2016 10:30 AM)
Funny, I started a thread with a similar theme last week and it got deleted. Anyway, I came across this episode last week on BBC America and thought it was better than I remembered. Silly premise, but enjoyable and the acting was good. Sure Shatner was over the top but he looked he was really enjoying himself as "Dr. Lester."
This episode also gave us the "Let me show you my shocked face" meme.
I call woo woo on you, -
Blueghost — 9 years ago(October 17, 2016 11:04 AM)
It lacks the production values of the previous two seasons, and is even sparse for a third season episode. But I still think it's decent enough.
I'm just sorry Star Trek could not have ended with a proper "finale" episode, and just stopped being after this one.
A lot of the comments in years past seem to put down Shatner's performance. But to me he's playing the part of a "femme-fatale", and does a pretty good job of it. It's what actors do. I think the chief complaint among Cpt. Kirk fans is that he's "a woman" in this episode, for lack of a better term.
It's science fiction. And I don't see why this episode gets singled out like Spock's Brain. Spock's Brain truly was hokey because of the neurosurgery of putting Spock's brain back into Spock, among other elements. But like Turnabout Intruder it has redeeming elements in it. Neither is a favorite of mine, but it's decent TV. -
TMC-4 — 9 years ago(October 17, 2016 02:52 PM)
http://rowdyc.com/tv-trash-turnabout-intruder/
http://sfdebris.com/videos/startrek/s079.php
http://www.trekbbs.com/threads/turnabout-intruder.283209/ -
rcocean3 — 9 years ago(October 17, 2016 05:31 PM)
I like the episode. The SJW's don't like it because it doesn't fit their their party line view of how women should be shown on TV.
You see every TV show should "push the narrative" otherwise its raciss/sexist/bigoted/homophobic/blah de blah.
The only real thing wrong with the episode is that Shatner hams it up too often.
Yeah, we get it Bill, you're playing a somewhat psychotic woman.
But you have to give him points for doing the role. How many leading men would've played a woman? Can you imagine Lee Marvin or Charles Bronson in the role? -
rcocean3 — 9 years ago(October 20, 2016 06:11 PM)
Curious, I refreshed my memory but re-watching the episode. The acting is very good, especially Smith as Lester-Kirk, and Scotty has a great moment when Doohan shows he could have done more on the show -actor-wise.
Even Shatner is good. He does go over the top, especially when he has to show just through body movements that he's being transferred in or out of Lester's body. But his ability to portray a hysterical woman trying to be "Captain kirk" is quite good. -
ben-thayer — 9 years ago(October 21, 2016 12:42 PM)
It's actually one of the few third season episodes that's fun to watch.
Not to be a troll, but I must respectfully disagreeat least partially. Although the 3rd season is typically considered the worst, I still find the season imminently fun to watch.
Episodes such as Spock's Brain, Spectre of the Gun, and The Way to EdenI don't see them as bad, but rather "nothing BUT fun".
Skip Homeier with the ears, and Charles Napier singing Headin' Out to Eden (Yea Brother)I say bring on the funky bicycle wheel instrument and let's JAM! It's now, manreally NOW!
I find these episodes vastly entertaining.
Even head-scratchers such as And the Children Shall Lead and The Empath still entertain me. Although I'm sure there was one deleted scene in The Empath where Kirk berates McCoy for deciding to give the young woman his name
But there were many S3 eps I consider to be greatDay of the Dove, The Tholian Web, Elaan of Troius, That Which Survives for example.
And I'm also a fan of Whom Gods Destroyalthough it may the way they mixed and matched all those pieces of costumes from the wardrobe department! Oh, and Yvonne CraigyeahYvonne Craig -
srb-3 — 9 years ago(October 21, 2016 02:35 PM)
- Janice Lester is not a developed character. She is a stereotype.
- Kirk dating Janice Lester at any time in his life does not make a whole of sense as Janice Lester is repulsive.
- Only males can be Captains in Star Fleet. This goes against the IDIC philosophy.
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kerryedavis — 9 years ago(October 21, 2016 02:47 PM)
IDIC is about different planets/races/species. It doesn't say that every member of every planet/race/species is equally qualified for any kind of job regardless of skill, talent, temperament, etc. That's just PC/SJW nonsense.
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kerryedavis — 9 years ago(October 21, 2016 04:55 PM)
You've never seen the Kollos episode? Some fan YOU are.
Dr. Miranda Jones: I know now the great joy you felt when you joined minds with Kollos.
Mr. Spock: I rejoice in your knowledge and in your achievement.
Dr. Miranda Jones: [regarding the Vulcan IDIC] I understand, Mr. Spock. The glory of creation is in its infinite diversity.
Mr. Spock: And the ways our differences combine, to create meaning and beauty. -
rcocean3 — 9 years ago(October 21, 2016 05:05 PM)
I must have missed that. Thanks.
Still puzzled as to why Vulcan philosophy means crazy, unqualified chicks can be Starship Captains.
Of course, given the numbers of crazy MALE Starship captains, why not some female ones?
Seems like every other planet has some rogue male Starship commander who went crazy and thought Nazism or whatever was a good idea. -
grizzledgeezer — 9 years ago(October 21, 2016 07:55 PM)
Still puzzled as to why Vulcan philosophy means crazy, unqualified chicks can be Starship Captains.
You seem to be going out of your way to miss the point. I'll spell it out:
One need not be a raging feminist to wonder why, circa 2100, there are no female starship captains. -
kerryedavis — 9 years ago(October 21, 2016 08:42 PM)
But why assume they're just sexist or whatever? That's what leftists do NOW. So if 50% of weightlifting champions aren't female, they insist it must be institutional sexism or whatever. If they're advanced in so many other ways in the future, why not believe that maybe they found a reason?
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grizzledgeezer — 9 years ago(October 22, 2016 06:27 AM)
Well, I'm a leftist, and I don't believe that.
If there were weightlifting competitions for women as well as men, then 50% of the champions would be women. They just wouldn't be competing with men, for very obvious reasons.
Shall we waste time arguing the obvious that men and women are different, that some of those differences are biological, others have been imposed on women? Why are you so insistent on believing that women might be inherently incapable of management and command?
In an "ideal" society, people would be able to progress as far as they desired and were capable of progressing not held back, or being forced into a career they had no interest in, "just to prove a point".