How did New York become a desert?
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Humphrey_Fish — 11 years ago(July 09, 2014 06:38 AM)
Also, in the original it's mentioned there's no moon. So what happened to the moon? Was it hit and knocked out of orbit by a huge asteroid?
Impossible. Likely there's "no moon" because it's in the New Moon phase(as in, it's on the other side of the planet during the night).
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Fletcherj119 — 11 years ago(July 09, 2014 11:01 AM)
The astronauts mentioned a strange "luminosity", yet no moon. So possibly something had happened to the moon.
And a "new moon" doesn't mean it's on the other side of the planet - it's simply the opposite of a full moon; during a full moon, from our view, the entire surface is lit up by the sun, but during a new moon, the side facing away from us (the so-called dark side) is fully lit by the sun. -
NeedysBoy — 11 years ago(July 09, 2014 10:50 AM)
haristas writes: "Taylor at the end just assumes it was man that "blew it up," but how could he know for sure?"
First, Taylor has a low opinion of human nature, base upon contemporary human civilization, specifically the Vietnam War which was in full swing when this film was made; Hiroshima and Nagasaki; and the Cold War (Remember the Cuban Missile Crisis). This point is figurative.
Second, the ape scriptures tells us how violent man is. Zaius tells us that people made a desert of the Forbidden Zone. This is why Zaius dreaded the appearance of Taylor so much humankind = killers. This point is literal.
No meteors!
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haristas — 11 years ago(July 13, 2014 08:24 AM)
My contention is simply that an all out nuclear holocaust and what I mean is if every ballistic nuclear missile was fired and exploded all over the world would not be enough to change the climate and topography of the North American continent in a mere two thousand years as seen in the original 1968 film. The destruction of the moon by an asteroid strike and a resulting meteor bombardment of the world's surface would more probably do it, but I doubt much higher life forms, such as apes, humans and horses, would survive such a catastrophe. Plant and ocean life would be pretty stressed too! On the other hand, a nuclear holocaust that leaves apes, humans and horses (and other life forms) still alive, but changes the northeast of the US into the southwestern US desert, is rather hard to believe too. As a kid back in the sixties, I was able to suspend my disbelief, but now as a fifty-five year old, it's a bit of a strain. The filmmakers of these new movies should try to come up with a more plausible scenario. I wonder if they will?
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nick_r_m — 11 years ago(July 15, 2014 08:19 AM)
Are you kidding?
Even a volcano erupting on the other side of the world can have noticeable affects on climate. I dont know how you can come to the conclusion that every nuke in the world wouldnt have that affect on the climate/topography. Its simply ludicrous. -
haristas — 11 years ago(July 16, 2014 07:51 AM)
What's ludicrous is a nuclear holocaust creating the type of topography we see in the original movie where it's supposed to be the American northeast. It was shot in northern Arizona in the US southwest where the topography of that land took millions of years of erosion to create. PLANET OF THE APES is set a mere two thousand years in the future.
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NeedysBoy — 11 years ago(July 16, 2014 09:01 AM)
haristas writes: "What's ludicrous is a nuclear holocaust creating the type of topography we see"
You may be thinking too literally.
The point is humans destroyed their civilization and altered the environment.
It's not history it's a movie, a work of art.
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NeedysBoy — 11 years ago(July 18, 2014 09:28 AM)
haristas writes: "Yes, I am thinking, literally."
Wait a minute!
I don't think that's a good idea. A film is a work of art, and art often has significance beyond the literal.
I hate to be obvious, but I guess this has to be said: the desert represents desolation. In the film, we find out that it represents the lost civilization beneath it. The exact scientific details don't matter as much as what the desert represents.
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Humphrey_Fish — 11 years ago(July 19, 2014 02:10 AM)
The destruction of the moon by an asteroid strike
The Moon could not be destroyed by an asteroid strike. The nuclear war makes as much sense as that.
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Dragonsouls — 11 years ago(July 19, 2014 08:47 PM)
It was nuked by humans. This is why the forbidden zone was closed off to apes. The human overseers that lived underground still had old day weapons and no ape wanted part of it for the sake of their civilization. Like Zaus predicted, man is dangerous because of technology and in the end a human nuked the world yet again.
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Fletcherj119 — 11 years ago(July 20, 2014 05:53 AM)
The apes don't know about the mutants. The reason for the Forbidden Zone is to prevent any apes from discovering the ruins of NYC. If it were known that man once had their own civilization, it would invalidate what was written in the sacred scrolls.
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BobbyDupea — 11 years ago(November 20, 2014 08:47 AM)
It doesn't matter what we know NOW about how nuclear war would change the landscape or not change the landscape. In the movie, it is literally true that Taylor knew immediately when he saw what he saw at the end that humans had destroyed the landscape (and human civilization) through nuclear war. The Forbidden Zone was off limits primarily because it was radioactive, not to keep apes from discoving that humans had a more advanced civilization earlier. That's why the Zone covered a wide area - which the movie makes clear. It covered an area much larger than the area where the object Taylor saw at the end was located.
Dr. Zadius' statements to Taylor about what happened to humans in the past strongly suggest that the area bacame a desert through nuclear war - and/or other catastrophic events caused by humans that degraded the environment.
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