Her reaction to the rape is so shocking
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knight-in-black-leather — 9 years ago(May 06, 2016 08:27 PM)
I'm sorry you missed the double blind tricks before this end scene.
- We see Rosemary stop taking her Anti-Psychotic medicine and starts to hear baby cries.
- When she enters this "Secret Passage" it is strictly her POV. Both times it is used, it is in Rosemary's POV and the screen goes black as she enters it. We never get a third person view of this closet passage being used. We NEVER see anyone use it outside Rosemary's presence.
Think. Why didn't Guy use it to get to Roman and Minnie's apartment at the end? Why use the halls to get to their "party" when he could just use the back door?
So if you follow the Pre plus Post partum Psychotic Rosemary story, you will interpret all of this as a psychotic hallucination. Rosemary didn't leave her room or maybe she is already committed to a hospital (there is a hint that this is so, did you see it?). What we see in the end is not real, its all in her head.
But this goes to my point kaskait, which is Polanski did not make it clear that this was allegedly only in Rosemary's mind.
The neighbours are far too interested in Rosemary and her baby to be just casual acquaintances. Also, the night Rosemary "conceives" her child, she is given chocolate mousse from Minnie, which Rosemary's describes as having a "chalky" taste. At this point, Rosemary has no reason to be suspicious of her or Roman, so we can't blame it on her mind playing tricks on her. During her pregnancy, Rosemary suffers great discomfort, even her friends notice how bad she looksall the while taking Minnie's special drinks. We also see her eat a piece of meat almost rare.
Lastly, we have the tagline for the film:
"Pray for Rosemary's Baby"
As I mentioned before, Polanski may have wanted to keep the film ambiguous, but it's very clear to me and almost everyone else that Rosemary's baby was the spawn of satan and this is what the author Ira Levin, intended.
Take care
This is a faithful sayingJesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
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kaskait — 9 years ago(May 10, 2016 07:55 PM)
But this goes to my point kaskait, which is Polanski did not make it clear that this was allegedly only in Rosemary's mind.
Polanski made the film so that Both interpretations can be followed. That is why I say the viewer can choose which to follow. I don't discount the devil story. But I think the rational explanation is inherently more frightening. Losing track of reality can happen to anyone at any time and that is frightening.
The neighbours are far too interested in Rosemary and her baby to be just casual acquaintances.
Or you can make another valid deduction that says they are two, lonely elderly people without children or grandchildren and they like to talk a lot.
Also, the night Rosemary "conceives" her child, she is given chocolate mousse from Minnie, which Rosemary's describes as having a "chalky" taste.
Chalky taste in the mouth is a common ailment for pregnancy. So we can also conclude that Rosemary was already a few days to a few weeks pregnant.
At this point, Rosemary has no reason to be suspicious of her or Roman, so we can't blame it on her mind playing tricks on her.
She was already against Roman. She noticed the missing pictures on their walls. She didn't like how he insulted the pope. She also didn't like that he took Guy's attention away from her.
During her pregnancy, Rosemary suffers great discomfort, even her friends notice how bad she looksall the while taking Minnie's special drinks.
The alternate explanation is that Guy raped and beat her. If he injured her, she would have pain since there was internal injury and the fetus was pushing against it.
We also see her eat a piece of meat almost rare.
So easy, we know women have food cravings during pregnancy. Also many of Rosemary's symptoms (fainting, dizziness) is commonly a symptom of anemia. A craving for raw meat (the body needs iron) would be understandable. It is also a good reason why her Dr. wanted another blood test done.
Lastly, we have the tagline for the film: "Pray for Rosemary's Baby"
Again two fold. Pray because there are witches. Or pray because the mother is experiencing psychosis and endangering her own child. I believe due to her running about the city in a panicky, psychotic state caused her to miscarry. -
BeOneOfUs — 10 years ago(March 16, 2016 11:52 AM)
Like I already said, whether the director wanted people to perceive it that way or not, I am not going to lol.
This a supernatural horror movie about a lady who is having the devil's baby
It's not a metaphor.
There is zero indication that it is all in her head.
Polanski is clearly confused about his own film.
I doubt he had this in mind when he made it back in the 60's.
Anyway, I don't really care if he did.
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BeOneOfUs — 10 years ago(March 16, 2016 11:53 AM)
Like I already said, whether the director wanted people to perceive it that way or not, I am not going to lol.
This a supernatural horror movie about a lady who is having the devil's baby
It's not a metaphor.
There is zero indication that it is all in her head.
Polanski is clearly confused about his own film.
I doubt he had this in mind when he made it back in the 60's.
Anyway, I don't really care if he did.
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kaskait — 10 years ago(March 17, 2016 06:51 PM)
Like I already said, whether the director wanted people to perceive it that way or not, I am not going to lol.
That is your choice, but the creator of this film clearly states that he encoded TWO stories into the film.
Polanski is clearly confused about his own film.
I doubt he had this in mind when he made it back in the 60's
No, the only one confused is you.
Polanski was quite clear minded about this film to the point of having the set designed to be a maze. You can see it in the documentary and the fact that everyone on set had a map to tell them how to get to certain areas. Kubrick used the same trick in The Shining. This was all to support the shadow story of insanity that was a theme in this film. -
MsLadybird99 — 9 years ago(May 11, 2016 03:35 PM)
As far as she knows her husband violently ravaged her while she was passed out cold, leaving bloody marks on her body, and then expects her to get up fix him breakfast. He was a pig, even without the Satan part. She was wimp for not punching him square in the nuts after he slapped her butt.
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kaskait — 9 years ago(October 14, 2016 01:13 PM)
Rosemary is present in the scene. We see her flipping out while little, old people seemingly tiptoe around her.
You would have a point if Rosemary was not in frame and we saw a true, third person confirmation of people using that door.
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fiatlux-1 — 10 years ago(March 18, 2016 07:15 PM)
Like I already said, whether the director wanted people to perceive it that way or not, I am not going to lol.
This a supernatural horror movie about a lady who is having the devil's baby
It's not a metaphor.
There is zero indication that it is all in her head.
Polanski is clearly confused about his own film.
I doubt he had this in mind when he made it back in the 60's.
Anyway, I don't really care if he did.
To me it will always be a literal, supernatural horror.
Good post. I agree 100%.
Its clear this was meant to be a horror tale. The original novel by Ira Levin never even suggests otherwise.
And Polanski has also said he wanted to 'be as faithful as he could' to Levin's novel.
And watching the film, he succeeded.
Why anyone even wants to believe otherwise is a mystery.
Is it so bad or hard to believe that its a horror tale???
I'd say this cloud is Cumulo Nimbus.
Didn't he discover America?
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shoolaroon-9-43507 — 10 years ago(January 29, 2016 08:16 AM)
That doesn't even make sense and if Polanski believes that then even he didn't really understand the material and shouldn't have done the movie in the first place. I think what you're reading now from him is revisionist, looking backward. It's clear both from the book and what is shown in the movie, that Rosemary was the victim of a witches' coven to bear the devil's child. Obviously I'm not saying this is possible anymore than I'm saying vampires are possible, but there's a certain inner integrity in the movie.
Many things might be hinted at throughout the movie but the end reveals all. Ro walks into the Cassavets apartment through the closet and finds them worshipping her baby - Hail Satan - who is in the black bassinet. That's not a dream and it's not a psychological problem. It's obviously the reality in the world of the movie.
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fiatlux-1 — 10 years ago(February 06, 2016 06:23 PM)
I suspect a troll started this topic, but even if not, I agree with you about Polanski if he did indeed think that.
Polanski is a nutbag, he's always been one. He makes decent films, but we know his history.
I'd say this cloud is Cumulo Nimbus.
Didn't he discover America?
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Sugarminx — 9 years ago(July 18, 2016 06:15 PM)
Polanski did indeed say what Kaskait has been banging on about. Problem is in interpretation and context.
Watching that documentary, I am convinced that though Polanski himself may not believe in the supernatural, he made a film about a supernatural subject but deliberately and cleverly left it a little bit open (much like the first half of the Exorcist - initially everyone thought what was going on, was in Regan's mindand we all know how that ended).
RB was filmed in such a way that everything 'looked' normal and it 'might' have been Ro's imagination, but in the end we know that "this is really happening".
I don't think Polanksi is a nutbag at all, I think he's a brilliant talent and his personal history has zero impact on my opinion of his work.
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kaskait — 10 years ago(October 04, 2015 03:23 PM)
Rosemary was raped and beaten by her husband. The film shows this happening then his face is covered with a demonic face. Remember Rosemary was beaten during this attack. She was experiencing hallucinations and she would rather believe it was something else not of this world that attacked her. Anything than face that the one person she loved most in the world nearly killed her (smothering her screams with that pillow).
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kaskait — 10 years ago(March 17, 2016 06:42 PM)
Her body was covered in scratches. We actually see her being smothered and she passes out. Later she has awful pain during her pregnancy. I've read on pregnancy sites that an injury to the abdomen during pregnancy could cause terrible pain.
Rosemary was beaten and raped by her own husband.