I don't get why Katharine Ross was kicked off of the set.
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JosiahSilas — 19 years ago(February 04, 2007 07:49 PM)
I just watched the movie and all of the extra features, and on the Katharine Ross interview, she said she shot one scene that pissed a bunch of people off and ended up getting her banned from the set (except when she had a scene, of course).
I don't understand what the big deal was.
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JosiahSilas — 19 years ago(February 19, 2007 04:23 PM)
I got all that, I guess when she was telling the story I expected it to end with "so I never did that again". So when she said that Hill had banned her from the set permanantly, I thought I missed something. It didn't strike me as a big deal. If George Hill had a problem with it, he should have at least given her a warning.
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bobsphotography2000 — 17 years ago(December 06, 2008 11:06 PM)
Yeah. Guess you're right. The guy wanted to do his job .. and not have loose ends to bother with or worry about.. and who knows what she said to him.
Guess it was his fault. He just had to be a dick. lol. -
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lexyladyjax — 10 years ago(March 30, 2016 12:55 PM)
She was helping and learning on a day the 2nd unit director was shorthanded.
None of the attack pilots I know who flew on the film had any complaints about her behavior. She was polite enough to them. That's what they expected. But attack pilots are different. They're not in love with themselves.
Then again, most of the fighter pilot's I knew.were asshats. If a woman didn't fall at their feet and worship them, something was.wrong with
her
. Katharine Ross wasn't impressed with their line. I never thought much of their BS, either. Jerks. I married an attack pilot.
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csu16387 — 18 years ago(August 30, 2007 05:26 AM)
Here's something else from the trivia section:
"Katharine Ross enjoyed shooting the silent, bicycle riding sequence best, because it was handled by the film crew's second unit rather than the director. She said, 'Any day away from George Roy Hill was a good one.'"
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ecarle — 18 years ago(October 25, 2007 05:44 PM)
You have to remember, this was near the end of the dying "studio system" that had been in place for decades, with unions in place and older men (almost invariably ONLY men) fearing the younger generation and anybody hassling their way of doing things.
There was one old DP, Russell Metty, who worked both on "Spartacus" and the TV show "Columbo," and he famously gave young director Kubrick crap on "Spartacus" and young director Spielberg crap on "Columbo" ( refusing to set up the shots like they wanted, or kicking the light stand across the floor at Spielberg.)
These were hidebound old men, scared of losing their jobs, and a lot of them did when the 70's came.
Katherine Ross also said that the stunt men riding the horses were angry she was on the camera, too. Lots of those old-time stunt men were macho and MEAN.
And George Roy Hill was somewhat of a tough-guy director, so you figure:
Hill saw Katherine Ross "undercutting" all his camera operators and his stunt men, and his own directorial authority (those guys get mad if an actor even yells "cut") and figuredhe had to throw Ross off the movie except for her scenes.
Hollywood was very macho then, and it still has its macho men now.
P.S. I assume the cinematographyer, Conrad Hall, felt bad after all this. He let Ross do it. btw, Ross was very authoritative about camera technicals in her interview. -
slokes — 18 years ago(January 26, 2008 10:47 PM)
Ross described the moment after as a kind of a joke, her helping out a short-handed crew with Conrad Hall's willing concurance, not thinking it might rub some of the professional technicians on set in the wrong manner. George Roy Hill's reaction was strong and immediate, and he didn't let it go thereafter. Even a year later, when he was describing the film in a VO for a documentary that was shown at Yale, his alma mater, he talks about his pleasure working with the cast "except for Katharine Ross, whom I never developed a rapport with". Or words to that effect.
This is all from the great DVD, which also seems to suggest that Ross's footage made it into the finished film. -