How exactly is nurse Ratched bad?
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Chronic_Johnson — 6 years ago(January 20, 2020 04:24 PM)
I think the film just provides us with some catharsis for any fantasies we may have for standing up against authority figures we disagree with and, perhaps, despise. She was doing her job, but it's also true that she's a bitch. As someone who was providing the patients with therapy sessions, she should have recognized that Billy's stutter stopped after he gained confidence from sleeping with the woman. It was unnecessary and simply spiteful of her to threaten to tell Billy's mother about what happened. She's more responsible for his suicide than McMurphy is, though they both played a part.
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TaRaNRoD — 5 years ago(September 29, 2020 02:12 AM)
I agree on the bitch nurse, but McMurphy? How is he responsible for Billy's suicide? If anything, he's as responsible for his suicide as an ex could be if his/her former partner commits suicide because of the break up.
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Chronic_Johnson — 5 years ago(September 29, 2020 03:51 AM)
It's been a while since I saw this and I can't recall why I said that.
Probably because McMurphy came into the mental hospital and stirred things up to the point where he was getting everyone involved in some sort of trouble.
I agree that suicide is ultimately the decision of the person doing it to themselves, but at the same time if McMurphy never tried to "liberate" the patients, I'd be willing to wager that Billy wouldn't have killed himself. Maybe he would eventually since it only takes one threat of humiliation/scolding from his mother to get him to that point. But I doubt it would be as accelerated. -
ToastedCheese — 3 years ago(July 09, 2022 05:44 AM)
…..if McMurphy never tried to "liberate" the patients, I'd be willing to wager that Billy wouldn't have killed himself.
Billy was already a troubled young man. McMurphy was giving him a new lease and outlet on life. Mac wasn't a saint by any measure, he did have the devil in him, but Ratched was just evil to the core and her devil was spiteful and hateful, not fun loving like Macs.
Ratched was understandably upset by the mess she came into the next morning, but remember, McMurphy was also supposed to have been running that night too. The treatments he received was also slowing down his own spirit. This is represented in the close up shot of his face and eyes when he is sitting by the window.
Ratched is fully responsible for Billy's death due to her words and how she handled the situation. She didn't want Billy to be a man.
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The Kraken — 3 years ago(December 22, 2022 03:51 AM)
Yeah I just watched the movie for the very first time ever.
I've heard all about how Nurse Ratchet was a sadistic evil psychiatric nurse my entire life. The character is famous.
So when I was watching the film for the very first time not knowing anything about the plot at all, I was surprised to see that she wasn't a villain.
Jack Nicholson's character was the villain. He was evil.
He was a pedophile, a their, violent, anti social and lawless. He also had no empathy as well. I'd say that he was very much mentally ill but in a different way from the other patients.
The staff should have isolated him from the rest of the patients after he kidnapped them, stole a boat and took them on trip deep sea fishing.
Ratchet was just doing her job. And she wasn't sadistic. She cared about her job, the rules and the patients under her care. There are many instances supporting that fact.
However that entire hospital administration was very much negligent and poorly trained staff.
They allowed Nicholson's character to influence the other patients and cause chaos. -
BlablaBlackSheep — 3 years ago(December 22, 2022 04:14 AM)
My take on it…. Ratched didn’t care about the patients, she enjoyed psychologically tormenting them and preying upon their weaknesses so they wouldn’t have the strength to walk out of the hospital. Suddenly Murphy shows up and shows them how to have fun and really live life, also taking them on a fishing trip that was more therapeutic than decades of medication and verbal gaslighting could ever achieve, which threatens Ratched’s mental hold over her victims. In her final bid of desperation, she drives a young boy to suicide and then makes everyone carry on as though nothing was wrong. So Murphy steals her voice from her and is lobotomized in the process. Murphy may have died but he freed many people from Ratched’s evil grip and gave them all a chance at leading a normal life.
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The Kraken — 3 years ago(December 22, 2022 05:49 AM)
My take on it…. Ratched didn’t care about the patients, she enjoyed psychologically tormenting them and preying upon their weaknesses so they wouldn’t have the strength to walk out of the hospital
There is no scene that supports your take on it though. Everything was orderly. She did the group therapy like psych nurses do. It's typical job duty.
I think people just didn't like her because she didn't smile. That's all. She just didn't smile much. But she made sure they were safe and medicated until Nicholson arrives.
Jack Nicholson's character was the one preying upon everyone's weaknesses. He deserved to die the way he did.
Before Nicholson's character showed up, the patients were basically safe. After Nicholson is admitted, that's when all the chaos begins.
I just don't understand how stupid people are to completely lie about a character like they do about nurse Ratchet. -
BlablaBlackSheep — 3 years ago(December 22, 2022 06:32 AM)
Are you having a laugh? Did you actually watch the movie, I don’t think you did. The “group therapy sessions” were just an excuse for Nurse Wretched to perform a gang-bollocking on her helpless patients by playing with their ailments and constantly tormenting them. She is a master manipulator and an all around terrible person, constantly trying to make her patients feel terrible and inferior. She’s a misandrist who clearly enjoys and gets off on humiliating her male patients. The actual reason people don’t like her is she’s a sadist.
McMurphy, despite being a delinquent, was the only one who actually gave a **** about the people there. And maybe the head Doctor. -
The Kraken — 3 years ago(December 22, 2022 09:14 PM)
The version I watched was on Tubi.
The psych doctors and admin are the ones that are in charge of therapy sessions. Nurses follow the doctor's treatment plan. There was no abuse from the nurses on the patients depicted in the plot.
If anything, those psych techs were abusive to the patients.
And those questions Nurse Ratchet asked of the patients at group therapy sessions are pretty accurate of what actually happens in mental hospitals.
Then again, the movie was from the late 70s and the setting is earlier than that so what happens these days at mental hospitals are more professional since they've been doing it longer and legal responsibility for how patients are handled. -
AnthonySocksss — 3 years ago(April 01, 2023 01:58 AM)
Are you retarded? A nurse at a mental health facility isn’t supposed to manage a patient if she is friends with said patient’s mother, or
use their mother as a threat against the patient when the mother is the source of their ****ing mental problems
Also all the other awful **** she did like revoking patient’s access to their meds/toiletries/privileges if they upset her, or using electroshock therapy on them if they stood up to her,
She’s an vile, despicable **** who should be fired and imprisoned. She’s one of the most evil characters in movie history.
You’re either a retard or a psychopath like her if you see nothing wrong with her
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