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    rascal67 — 10 years ago(April 18, 2015 03:27 AM)

    Lumet is over-praised as a director and while I haven't seen all his films, I think I have seen the ones that count. Except SERPICO-73'

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      franzkabuki — 10 years ago(May 29, 2015 10:09 PM)

      If anything, Lumet's underrated, in big part probably because he's usually not considered an auteur as he tended towards sort of an unobtrusive, "invisible" style, not making his presence obvious. However, how many directors are there who have, by my reckoning, up to 10 masterpieces or near-masterpieces on their resume? Well, Lumet has 12 Angry Men, The Pawnbroker, The Anderson Tapes, The Offence, Serpico, Dog Day Afternoon, Network, Prince Of The City, The Verdict, Before The Devil Knows You're Dead bit hard to chalk this filmography up to coincidence. Also, even his lesser pictures tend to be worthwhile and interesting at least in some regards - just like with Robert Altman, there was always an alert intelligence and mature sensibility at work in his films (as someone noted, between 2006 and 2011, when Altman and Lumet died, Hollywood's collective IQ must have dropped by a half).
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        csu16387 — 12 years ago(July 29, 2013 10:44 AM)

        Definitely!! His final scene with Faye Dunaway is as close to perfect as it gets.
        "I think we've out-sophisticated ourselves out of some of the pleasures of movies."

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          Maddyclassicfilms — 11 years ago(June 09, 2014 01:40 AM)

          I couldn't agree more. The whole cast is superb in this but Holden was excellent.
          It is my business to protect your majesty. against all things.

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            forever_swirl — 11 years ago(June 19, 2014 07:34 AM)

            I agree that he does a really good job here. I just hated the whole faye dunaway romance. I thought they had no chemistry anyway.
            I agree Finch should have been in the best supporting actor category and Holden would have won best actor then. It would have been something if they had won Oscars in all four categories.

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              Harold_Robbins — 11 years ago(June 26, 2014 10:21 AM)

              "This is one of William Holden's finest performances."
              Just watched this for the first time since its theatrical release, and couldn't agree more. Finch may have had the more flamboyant, showy role, but Holden's quiet under-acting was rivetting. If you ask me, everyone who shares a scene with him is better in that scene because he's in it.
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                generalusgrant — 11 years ago(September 20, 2014 07:24 PM)

                "Holden has always been a rather wooden and awkward actor with very limited range."
                !?? Totally disagree. Perhaps he had a limited ranged, but so did many great actors, like Gable, Cooper, Cagney, Bogie, etc.
                Holden was excellent in early roles like Sunset Blvd, Sabrina and The Country Girl. But this was his greatest performance.

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                  merryapril — 11 years ago(September 20, 2014 10:17 PM)

                  He's absolutely terrific in
                  Network

                  • a much needed, soulful foil for just about every other character in the film (except for his wife Louise, portrayed by the beautiful and classy Beatrice Straight in her very brief but Oscar-winning performance). Max Schumacher was a great role that suited him to a t, and he played it to perfection.
                    William Holden was my favorite leading man when I was a little girl. Even today, I can't think of anyone I like better. In addition to the ones you mentioned generalusgrant,
                    Bridge On The River Kwai, Stalag 17, Picnic, Love Is A Many Splendored Thing and Born Yesterday
                    are all movies he starred in that I watch again and again.
                    His dance scene with Kim Novak in
                    Picnic
                    is pure magic.
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                    ecjones1951 — 11 years ago(September 20, 2014 11:33 PM)

                    Guessing you watched on TCM tonight too, eh? Yep, the dance scene in
                    Picnic
                    is pure perfection. Candy floss.

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                      merryapril — 11 years ago(September 21, 2014 04:53 PM)

                      Correct ecjones1951, I watched it last night!
                      I gather, after reading other threads on this board, that some people find
                      Network
                      too wordy and starkly moralistic. I can't disagree entirely, especially when it comes to William Holden's character Max as he's interacting with Faye Dunaway's Diana during their break up. Were it not for Dunaway's physical beauty and relative youth, it would be hard to believe a man like him would even be attracted to someone as manipulatively ambitious, shrill and amoral as she was. He knew she was all of those things, but I simply view him as an old fool who hoped he'd convince her to change. And such a vain hope required quite a bit of talking!
                      Still, I love the film and William Holden's portrayal of an over-the-hill newsman having a late-life crisis.

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                        ecjones1951 — 11 years ago(November 23, 2014 10:09 PM)

                        Excellent analysis of the Max/Diana relationship. Doesn't he tell his wife that (paraphrasing) he's been dead inside and Diana makes him feel alive? Pretty cruel thing to say to a wife who has remained loyal, (and most likely faithful) to him for 25 years, although he probably has had a number of affairs in that time.

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                          pullman1881 — 11 years ago(October 07, 2014 08:28 PM)

                          Don't forget Sunset Boulevard.

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                            merryapril — 11 years ago(October 07, 2014 09:49 PM)

                            Oh yeah pullman1881, I LOVE that film too even though I forgot to include it in my list!!! He was
                            just perfect
                            in it. There was a certain nasal(?) characteristic in his voice that really lent itself to cynical roles like Joe Gillis.

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                              thepartydjz — 11 years ago(February 23, 2015 01:20 AM)

                              "Perhaps he had a limited ranged, but so did many great actors, like Gable, Cooper, Cagney, Bogie, etc." Cagney? Limited range? Have you ever seen "Man of a Thousand Faces" ???? Please,

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                                fanaticita — 10 years ago(June 16, 2015 05:31 PM)

                                Sunset Blvd. was incredible!!!! I absolutely loved it! Time to see it again.

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                                  thepartydjz — 10 years ago(June 30, 2015 03:46 PM)

                                  Lumet was genius

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                                    RP_Mac_27 — 10 years ago(February 18, 2016 10:51 AM)

                                    To say Cagney had limited range is the most ludicrous thing I have read in a while.

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                                      fridaynight-1 — 10 years ago(January 31, 2016 02:39 AM)

                                      It sure is! He deserved an Oscar for it as well.

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                                        hnt_dnl — 10 years ago(February 22, 2016 11:34 PM)

                                        Holden was the heart and soul of the film. Ironic that he's the only acting nominee that didn't win the Oscar for it.

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                                          LetThemEatCake01 — 9 years ago(June 17, 2016 02:16 AM)

                                          I feel like he's horrific in this. Nothing at all like his Sunset Boulevard's days.

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