Inherently Gay…
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TheFatDruidofNacyl — 15 years ago(August 07, 2010 04:18 AM)
As far as Batman and Robin go, They was simply two people, an older brother and younger brother, or later maybe father and son fighting team. But if you let your imagination run away with you, then you have a middle aged man that keeps to himself, not only picks a teenage boy to train and fight with him, but also live alone with him in a big house. Alfred was there but what happens in the Batcave, stays in the Batcave..j/k Also Robin had some bright colored tights.
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TheSolarSailor — 15 years ago(August 07, 2010 01:02 PM)
Your post is accurate for Batman and Robin in general, as proven during the 50s comic book crusade where they sought to prove that the superhero team was really promoting a homosexual lifestyle. But the 1997 Joel Schumacher film is filled with homosexual undertones and gay imagery, and that is really not up for debate.
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tenement-funster — 14 years ago(March 03, 2012 12:32 PM)
We didn't get Barin lusting after Flash
Oh, I don't know. They did have that whip fight, after which Barin swore himself into Flash's service.
And how the hell did Flash get so good with a whip anyway?!
On a more serious note, camp is definitely the word to use rather than gay. It's a good fun film. I'm still patiently waiting for the sequel!
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OneWayFilms2000 — 13 years ago(April 03, 2012 09:20 PM)
I was about to defend this film by laughing at the gay accusation.until I suddenly remembered the shape of Zarkoff's space rocket. Even at 10 years-old, I always thought it looked like a giant penis flying through space.
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Riding46 — 14 years ago(February 22, 2012 02:24 AM)
Wellthat was a shock to read that! But hey, I'm glad you enjoyed the film (that way), no worse that me wanting to see Dale and Aura in a cat fight. I guess if you are that way inclined those were the two to pick and not Dr Zarkoff and the Brian Blessed character.
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Silvermoth — 13 years ago(June 30, 2012 02:59 AM)
It's funny that other people consider this a really gay film (and not in a bad way). I must admit, the monster's hive which Prince Barin and the other men are encouraged to stick parts of their body into as a test of manhood was very reminescent of a glory hole to me.
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RCeditor — 13 years ago(July 10, 2012 09:36 PM)
This movie never struck me as "gay". Camp, yes, but not gay.
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TheSolarSailor — 13 years ago(November 10, 2012 05:52 PM)
Wouldn't any movie featuring men running around in tights be considered gay? That would include most movies about superheroes.
Christopher Reeve wore tights as Superman and he was never considered the least bit gay by anyone. I seriously doubt anyone would consider George Reeves in Superman tights as gay either. Not to mention, most superhero movie tights don't feature golden jock straps worn on the outside like Ming's soldiers in the "football" scene. Just saying!
Flash Gordon has plenty of things that bring about a gay vibe, whether intentional or not. Flash in his leather hot pants during the execution scene, Barin and his all male population on Arboria, the burly leathermen hawkmen, the phallic rockets, the garish colors, and Queen's own Freddie Mercury was gay as well. Like it or not, there are plenty of stereotypically gay elements and connections in this film.
Whose idea was it for the word "Lisp" to have an "S" in it?
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jefgg — 13 years ago(November 10, 2012 10:20 PM)
Christopher Reeve allegedly was gay. Notthattheresanythingwrongwiththat.
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http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php/2010/07/22/dead_gay_porn_star_said_superman_chris
Christopher Reeve Was A Great Lover
July 22nd, 2010 8:14am EDT
A late gay porn star has stunned Hollywood with allegations he bedded "Superman" star Christopher Reeve.
Cal Culver gave up the sordid details in an interview before he died in 1987 and now the lost chat has been unearthed and included in new book Hollywood Babylon Strikes Again.
Culver, who died of an AIDS-related illness, told the unnamed interviewer he met Reeve when both were auditioning for the same Broadway role in the mid-1970s.
In the chat, the porn star says, "Christopher was a great lover and I think I liberated him sexually. I didn't think he was gay but he seemed willing to try anything once. He was curious."
In the book extract, obtained by the Globe, Culver calls Reeve "the man of my dreams" and reveals the two men had a passionate affair that lasted for two months - until the future Superman learned his partner was a gay porn star, who performed under the name Casey Donovan.
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TheSolarSailor — 13 years ago(November 11, 2012 08:54 AM)
None of that is really relevant to the point I was making, though. No one assumed or ever thought of Superman as gay because he wore tights, as mentioned a few posts above. As for the rest, who really knows? But I am inclined not to believe such claims made by folks after Reeve died. And yes, the very fact that this supposed 1987 interview was long lost and now magically surfaced is suspect at best. Meh. Reeve is not here to defend himself. That book looks like schlock to me.
Whose idea was it for the word "Lisp" to have an "S" in it?
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jefgg — 13 years ago(November 11, 2012 09:02 AM)
I agree the book has little credibility. I thought it looked somewhat humorous and a little relevant. I grew up about ten miles west of New York. The late Christopher Reeve lived in New York at least some of the time. I did hear rumors about Reeve's sexuality in the '80s. It may have been because he preferred the company of his old acting buddies over Hollywood people. That does not make someone gay. Notthattheresanythingwrongwiththat. I was friends with a girl who was a huge fan of Reeve and she swore that he was gay.
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TheSolarSailor — 13 years ago(November 11, 2012 09:55 AM)
I chalk it up to something we'll never know. not unless something more credible were to come along. It doesn't bother me either way, but I just can't give credibility to a book like that. Most claims about stars who are actually now known to have been gay have plenty to back up the notion. Most of those cases were not known at the time of the popularity to the public, as the studio would go to great lengths to hide it, yet it was common knowledge to their peers in Hollywood.
Whose idea was it for the word "Lisp" to have an "S" in it?
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TheSolarSailor — 13 years ago(November 12, 2012 10:05 PM)
I agree that so many calling the film "gay" today stems from current social views. many think Adam West's Batman TV show is gay today, but that wasn't really the case much at all back in the 1960s. But I also think that some of the things were slanted in that direction with Flash Gordon even back then (the similarity between the hawkmen and the quite popular world of gay leathermen in the 1970s is the most obvious). I mean, just 6 years prior to this film, a porno was made of the world of Flash Gordon, called Flesh Gordon. It seems that the material has always been sexually charged, even if just in the reader's minds. Ergo,"sexual experimentation" of the era is a good way to put it, and that can lend itself to individual interpretationeven all of these years later. But one must consider that homosexuality is very prevalent in Hollywood and rears its head from time to time in productions like this. The same goes for the Batman films by Joel Schumacher as well, though his I think are more evident than they are here.
Whose idea was it for the word "Lisp" to have an "S" in it?
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TheSolarSailor — 13 years ago(November 13, 2012 02:23 PM)
Like I said, I have heard people make comments about the old Batman show being gay, and I brought it up only to re-enforce your own point that this is a social issue today that people project onto things of the past, especially things of a campy nature. I do not share the opinion that the old Batman show is gay. I loved it as a child and I still do, and I am 100% aware of the fact that it was effectively capturing the look and style of the comic books of that era. Many people forget that the comic books had gotten rather silly well before the show came along, oddly enough a result of Dr. Fredric Wertham's efforts in the 1950s to see unsavory influences that were ruining the country's kids and tempting them to be deviants. In a way, he is the one who brought homosexuality to Batman to begin with, and it has hung around in the backs of people's minds ever since. In any case, you are right to call many of these views "short-sighted simplistic pop accessment from 2012 on shows that were of the '60s or 30's from another time era and place."
But I do think that Flash Gordon tends to be a bit different, as the existence of that soft-core Flesh Gordon movie from the early 1970s proves that the old serial adventures and comic books of Flash Gordon tend to elicit sexual mindsets with the readers. It is closely based on the old Buster Crabbe serials more than anything, according to some research I have done recently. I have not seen that film for myself, though. I am not sure where the gay slant would have come from initially, but from the few clips I have seen of that Flesh Gordon film, it rears it's head there as well. It is most likely the result of gay people behind the scenes, going back to my comment about the prevalence of gay people in Hollywood (something that has long been the case). I think all of this resulted in the 1980 film for Flash Gordon, as it drew influence from far more than just the work of Alex Raymond.
Most of the claims that these old stories are "gay" is fallacious at best, though there are some examples like 1980s Flash Gordon where I think it holds a little bit of water. Thaks for sharing the information about Schumacher and his auditions for the Batman & Robin film. That's some interesting viewpoints that won't ever be found in elsewhere other than personal stories from those involved. I suppose it is a professional courtesy that these things are kept quiet. Anyhow, that "Underwater Kingdom" looks interesting. I'd like to have a chance to see it some day. I love old escapist stories like that.
I am ordering an A&E documentary on the Buster Crabbe Flash Gordon serial in the next week. I look forward to watching it.
Whose idea was it for the word "Lisp" to have an "S" in it?
