Was that really necessary for that scene?
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frany1125 — 10 years ago(January 19, 2016 11:39 AM)
Well if he said colored or negro I would understand why. I don't know why people are bashing me and calling me PC after just asking a simple question
If it were any other derogatory term that seemed out of context I would ask the same question as well. I just did not deem it as necessary. Maybe if they were in the 1800's I wouldn't question as much
I know racism was alive in the 1920's that the character was from, I just didn't expect the N-word usage in that context
Just having a discussion is all
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Barbed_Wire_Strawberry — 10 years ago(January 19, 2016 01:39 PM)
You PC Bra?
Seriously though - the actual point is to show the inherent racism of the institution of the Overlook.
Without anyone to inflate his ego, Jack isn't really feeling like much of a White Man.
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eweland — 10 years ago(January 20, 2016 07:50 AM)
No it wasn't necessary. That's why you can't offer a proper defense for it. Just another white fool desperate to justify their racism. Sounding like broken records at this point.
They literally discussed the black man for two lines.
Use of the N-word added nothing of importance to it. Just the typical white director wanting to insert some racism into a perfectly incredible psychological thrilling horror movie. You mean in a film that was 2+ hours long, the n word was intricate to the already intense plot and the film would have been ruined without it? Haha. Lies.
You really don't understand this film at all, do you?
Thanks for proving it.
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joekiddlouischama — 9 years ago(October 27, 2016 11:49 PM)
I remember my grandfather calling them colored instead of saying the n word flat out..
The NAACP stands for the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People "colored," like "Negro," was not a slur in earlier generations. Of course, using those terms in recent times would make one seem ridiculous, but coming from an older man, they would not necessarily be signs of bigotry.
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DylansFearFiles — 10 years ago(January 21, 2016 07:33 AM)
You don't think that it was fitting for a man from the 1920s, a time ripe with racism and bigotry, to use the N-word? Your statement that it was nothing but a director (a very well respected and established director, mind you, writing with a highly respected author, based on another highly respect author's work) trying to insert his alleged racism into the film is preposterous. Even worse, it's stupid. You, Andrea, are a freaking idiot.
Necessary or not, I don't get butthurt when an African American calls a Caucasian American "cracker".
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joekiddlouischama — 9 years ago(October 27, 2016 11:44 PM)
The film was about the white man slaughtering people that's why there is native american stuff all over the hotel
I have no problem with the dialogue, but I do not feel that this racial interpretation really works. To me, it feels like people wanting to give a "hip" director some kind of liberal kudos that the filmmaking fails to justify. Yes, of course the film makes the point early on that the constructors built the hotel on a Native American burial site and allegedly fought off Native American attacks, and then, of course, the builders and designers used "Navajo and Apache" patterns inside the hotel. But, to me, this motif constitutes more of a narrative device or a plot gimmicka slight variation on the typical "Haunted House" ideathan anything else. The theme is not developed at all, it is not organically woven into the movie at all, and there is no emotional resonance behind it. Abstract symbolism can be read into virtually anythingwithout sustained development and emotional resonance, it means nothing. Having now viewed
The Shining
three times on the big screen, I would never cite this film as offering a real statement on race or the plight of Native Americans.
(That is not to say that my opinion trumps all; I am just relaying my perspective.)
A more valid interpretation, in my view, is that
The Shining
reflects the masculine desire to reassert patriarchy and the anarchic male yearning to break the bonds of matrimony, fatherhood, and domesticity. In other words, I see
The Shining
as a film about male anxietyrepressed and then unleashed. Kubrick's movie is not, in my view, an especially thoughtful or intricate meditation on those ideas, but there is something going on in that regard, and the resonance is intriguing. Conversely, I find the racial interpretation to be completely flat and threadbareand meaningless. I could envision teaching a college class about masculinity in film and using
The Shining
to ask some questions and suggest some representations. I could not envision teaching a college class about race or imperialism in film and using
The Shining
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ReturnOfWhiskey — 10 years ago(February 09, 2016 11:49 PM)
No it wasn't necessary. That's why you can't offer a proper defense for it. Just another white fool desperate to justify their racism. Sounding like broken records at this point.
They literally discussed the black man for two lines.
Use of the n word added nothing of importance to it. Just the typical white director wanting to insert some racism into a perfectly incredible psychological thrilling horror movie. You mean in a film that was 2+ hours long, the n word was intricate to the already intense plot and the film would have been ruined without it? Haha. Lies.
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kmags84 — 10 years ago(February 17, 2016 02:30 PM)
It's not that the film would have been RUINED, it just really drove home the point of the scene. What year does the film take place? What year did that SCENE take place? Kubrick was far from Racist and far from a Bigot. If you look at Race in His Films, it's something he NEVER took lightly.
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Barbed_Wire_Strawberry — 9 years ago(June 05, 2016 12:33 AM)
The black man and white woman are tied thematically to the slaughter of children - ie white patriarchy sees women as less than man, black man as less than man - basically on the level of children, contemptable children at that. Jack and Jeevesy Ol Boy are just serving the servants.
Jack's feelings of bitterness and latent racism are tied to his alcoholism also.
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Kimrubymoon — 9 years ago(June 15, 2016 08:33 PM)
Oh G-d!!!! You called me a white person a fool???? I'm white.so you think I'm a fool?!???! Wawawa (baby crying) you're a racist!!!!!!
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joekiddlouischama — 9 years ago(October 27, 2016 11:45 PM)
Just the typical white director wanting to insert some racism into a perfectly incredible psychological thrilling horror movie.
If
The Shining
is imperfect, the imperfections have nothing to do with the use of that word and everything to do with all manner of other matters.