WHY does this movie get such a bad wrap?
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Trax-3 — 9 years ago(April 23, 2016 08:48 PM)
Everybody agrees ROTLA is the best Indy movie and is considered as a masterpiece.
Everybody? I've never liked it all that much and rewatching it recently after 15-20 years didn't change my opinion. Temple of Doom felt far more exiting and much funnier
(Willie is hilarious) after Raiders, and the story, while still problematic, feels far more "full" and less hollow and full of holes. It's a wild ride and even pulpier than Raiders. -
thylacine80 — 9 years ago(April 25, 2016 01:38 AM)
Everybody? I've never liked it all that much
Of course when I say "everybody", I mean "most people", because for some reasons many people just worship that movie.
I, for one, never was that much into it. Like I said in my opening post, it's great but it's just not as funny, fast and entertaining as TOD.
And I even feel like the meaning, message and poetry in TOD was stronger. -
muybueno16 — 9 years ago(April 27, 2016 10:28 PM)
Temple of Doom works as a horror adventure film but not so much as a pure Indiana Jones film plus aside from some of the annoying characters, the pacing drags in-between adrenaline-fueled segments and it only really stands out with the various one-liners and gorgeous cinematography near the end.
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The_Ultimate_Hippo — 9 years ago(April 28, 2016 01:13 PM)
I love both Raiders and Temple but I gotta be honest Raiders is the better movie. I might even make an argument for Temple being more entertaining but overall Raiders beats it.
Crusade however is one big pile of sh!t.
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The_Ultimate_Hippo — 9 years ago(April 29, 2016 04:03 PM)
There is not a movie on the face of the Earth that I hate more than
Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade.
I feel I get dumber every time I watch it.
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The_Ultimate_Hippo — 9 years ago(April 29, 2016 06:46 PM)
I dislike Phantom Menace, I HATE Last Crusade. To me Marcus and Henry bumbling around like idiots was worse than anything Jar Jar Binks ever did, in fact I assumed that Lucas based Jar Jar Binks off of Marcus and Henry in Last Crusade.
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thylacine80 — 9 years ago(April 29, 2016 04:08 AM)
Temple of Doom works as a horror adventure film but not so much as a pure Indiana Jones film
Really ?
What is exactly a pure Indiana Jones film ? And who decides what it is ?
Just because Raiders was a "from the university to the desert with the nazis", some people expect every Indiana Jones movie to be the same, and get confused with any other kind of story. -
degree7 — 9 years ago(May 06, 2016 10:53 AM)
Simply put, it is inferior to Raiders in a few departments. It's certainly not a bad movie, but it's not a great one either.
I do appreciate that it's a prequel, although it sort of ruins the character a bit with Indy encountering these supernatural villains before the events of Raiders. The whole point of the first film was that Indy didn't really believe in the "power of God" or magic scrolls or any of that. So as a companion to the first film, it doesn't make much sense. However, the opening in Shanghai with Jones escaping from the mob boss is classic, thrilling stuff.
The general issues with the film are Kate Capshaw's character (an annoying, dumb screaming blonde with a bad 80s perm), Short Round the annoying sidekick, and the movie being too kid oriented with saving the child slaves (which seems to clash with the darker moments). The whole plot with the stones seems rather uninteresting and lacks the mystique of the Ark from the first. Also, the scene with the pilots jumping out the plane instead of just killing Indy in his sleep, and the raft landing on the side of the mountain was rather unconvincing. It's full of moments like that.
However, I must give Temple of Doom bonus points for introducing new villains and not just rehashing the Nazis like Last Crusade did. And the climax on the bridge is thrilling. For what it's worth, I think it's as good as the third one.
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king_cooler — 9 years ago(June 30, 2016 12:50 PM)
it sort of ruins the character a bit
It sure does.
He's supposed to be more of a rogue and yet he tries to save the life of a guy who tried to kill him from the crusher.
This is the guy who in Raiders shoots the swordsman before he's even attacked, and lets the big guy get chopped up by the propellers.
And Raiders Indy would never have had a kid for a sidekick. -
Arvin-G-Borkar — 9 years ago(December 24, 2016 05:01 PM)
I watch that part over and over and I do not think he actually tries to save the guy. It is a bit neutral. He holds onto the rope to get away from the crusher. If you look at it, the rope is the only way to get away from it. That and he likes to swing from ropes in movies (signature Indiana). The crusher is pretty high up from the ground and so he could not just jump down, nor stay on the ledge for too long. That rope was his only way of stabilizing himself and transporting himself to the next safest place. It just so happened that that guard was holding onto that same rope and he makes a gesture like "Oh wait, I was possessed too. I did not mean that. HELP ME!"
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Arvin-G-Borkar — 9 years ago(December 24, 2016 05:21 PM)
You would have to understand the "stones" as comparable to Hindu mythology. The stones are actually comparable to the Shiva Linga. It is believed that stones are represent of Shiva and by touching them, you would be blessed. It is a Pagan belief system.
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Clusium — 9 years ago(May 08, 2016 02:36 PM)
No she wasn't. People just compare her to Marion from
Raiders
. The difference between them was that Marion voluntarily got involved with Indy's adventure in the first movie, whereas Willie got dragged into the situation she found herself in.
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CakesAndAle — 9 years ago(June 19, 2016 03:15 PM)
If someone says she's annoying, how can that be incorrect?
Many of the complaints about Willie have nothing to do with comparisons to Marion. She's annoying because I need to mute the tv or FF through her scenes. I cannot bear to listen to her. Period.
That's not a comparison to Marion. YES, Willie IS annoying. -
The_Ultimate_Hippo — 9 years ago(June 19, 2016 06:18 PM)
She's certainly flawed but it's Alison Doody I have to hit the mute button on, horrible actress. Listening to her speak is flat out painful (doesn't help that she was given cringe worthy dialogue to work with).
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thylacine80 — 9 years ago(May 10, 2016 12:38 AM)
WILLIE is indeed a different kind of character, compared to Elsa or Marion. And its nice sometimes to have a change, and to depart from the easy formula.
For once, the girl is not a femme fatale, a double-agent or an adventurer. Willie is a night-club singer, not made at all for that kind of adventure.
And, unlike what is often said about her, she shows guts and courage.
A superficial and selfish person at the beginning, she ends up punching guys, protecting short round and helping the best she can.
Yes, she complains and scream, but she still does the job, joining in this nightmare to help Indy and to free the children.
Its a far more interesting character development and evolution than for Elsa or Marion.
I might add that one of the reason she screams more than the other ladies is because the events of the Temple of Doom ar the most terrifying in the entire franchise. I guess anyone would have shouted as loud as she did. And I guess not everyone would have keep on facing them as much as she did. -
CakesAndAle — 9 years ago(June 19, 2016 03:10 PM)
Willie is a lot like Joan in Romancing the Stone, in that she was ill prepared for the adventure and physicality of what befell her. Except Kathleen Turner's screaming was nowhere near as annoying as Kate Capshaw's.
The point isn't whether WIllie's reactions are realistic. The point is that she makes the film unwatchable for a lot of viewers. I just want to go "click" and shut it off.