I can't believe people actually liked this movie
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smith93 — 20 years ago(August 31, 2005 03:28 PM)
Open Range was a bunch of tired cliches, plus one amazing gunfight that saved it from being a total waste of time. It did nothing to breath new life into the (sadly) dormant genre, and was a huge dissapointment coming from the man who did Dances With Wolves.
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PatrynXX — 20 years ago(August 31, 2005 04:25 PM)
I can't totally say Dances with wolves was a western.
Open Range was a decent comeback. Hope he does more like it. Dad a big western fan himself like it before I did.
As for Silverado. I don't think it of a revisionistic film. It's a throwback to the old western. Which wasn't entirely accurate either. Silverado though probably isn't for people interested in the doom and gloom westerns like Unforgiven. Which was a disappointement for CLint Eastwood. Last good western he did was Pale Rider
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smith93 — 20 years ago(August 31, 2005 09:23 PM)
I can't totally say Dances with wolves was a western.
It took place in the old west, and could not have taken place anywhere else. Therefore, it is a western. It's more of a true western than Silverado, since it uses a particular (albiet revisionist) take on the mythology of the old west to make a point, whereas Silverado uses the its notion of the west as an excuse to film a bunch of unremarkable gunfights and last minute rescues, ad nauseum.
As for Silverado. I don't think it of a revisionistic film. It's a throwback to the old western.
I know. I already said this, and it is crucial to the point that I was making.
Silverado though probably isn't for people interested in the doom and gloom westerns like Unforgiven.
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PatrynXX — 20 years ago(August 31, 2005 09:51 PM)
well Silverado I thought was quite good. can't say Open Range is exactly light hearted, but certainly better than Unforgiven. I'm not saying Unforgiven was a bad film, I just don't like it.
As for Dances With Wolves being a western. It takes place during the civil war. Long before the decades normally considered for a western. Albeit Good The Bad The Ugly takes place during the civil war. Although even there I can't completely say it's a total western. But as it has to do with shoot em up's. The old style western it is.
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smith93 — 20 years ago(August 31, 2005 10:23 PM)
It takes place during the civil war. Long before the decades normally considered for a western.
Okay, this is total nonsense. It is not true at all that a movie must take place long after The Civil War to be considered a western by normal standards. This is so obvious that I'm not going to argue it. If you care, just investigate it yourself. Look up some movies that take place in the west or on the frontier in the civil war or before or shortly after. Jeez, according to you, The Searchers isn't even a western, since it's right after the Civil War. -
PatrynXX — 20 years ago(August 31, 2005 10:31 PM)
I'm just going back to your revisionist type opinion of Silverado.
Since most westerns weren't totally accurate either.
all in good fun. Think I'll go back to Chocolat now. Another fine TALE 
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smith93 — 20 years ago(August 31, 2005 10:50 PM)
I didn't have a revisionist type opinion on Silverado. I said repeatedly that it isn't a revisionist western, but an attempt to take the genre back to pre-revisionist days. From an earlier post of mine:
Silverado was trying to take the western back to the pre-revisionist days. But the few westerns since then to be released and achieve major popularity have been revisionist westerns, so Silverado didn't bring back jack.
I'm not against people making traditional, pre-revisionist westerns in a modern setting. There just haven't, to my knowledge, been any that were particularly good in a long time.
And I never said that westerns had to be totally accurate. A totally accuarate western would probably be some boring as hell movie about cowboys roping and branding cows all day or something. -
PatrynXX — 20 years ago(August 31, 2005 11:36 PM)
I'm not particularly in an argument mood anyway. I've got this head cold and probably blowing things way out of proportion. I probably won't even remember this in the morning.
Now Renegade is the oddest Western/fantasy I ever saw. Vincent Casselle (sp?) does not play a cowboy very well. But it sure was original. Hopefully that won't catch on.
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Flame_Repellant — 19 years ago(April 01, 2007 05:28 AM)
smith93,
I think that you really should try and get out more. You have made your point and it's now showning tendancies that would suggest the need for meication and some gel on the temples.
You don't like the film, we get that, now move on and trash some other movies.
I've done a rough calculation and would estimate that only 5% of posters agree with your views and then not as strongly.
I shall search the boards for your, very original, id and enjoy reading you posts.
Is there any truth in the rumour that you wanted to be in Brokeback Mountain???
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Bob_Zerunkel — 13 years ago(January 29, 2013 07:02 PM)
I'll bet when they made Seven Samurai people were saying it could not have taken place anywhere else. But then they did it as the Magnificent Seven.
They could swap out the American Indians in Dances with Wolves for lots and lots of people who were forcibly moved from their lands. Thee are thousands of examples in history. The only plausible reason for saying that it had to be a Western is if it had to be about the treatment of American Indians in the West. You can pick any color, race, and nation. You'll find a story very similar. -
berniemccool — 19 years ago(September 02, 2006 11:01 AM)
Open Range is the worst movie ever. Kevin Costner deliver the stiffest performance ever. I'm pretty sure he says "I'm sweet on you" to Annette Benning at some point. No plot arc and no charcter development to speak of, even for a western. I will say though that it had nice landscapes and a good shoot-out.
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PatrynXX — 19 years ago(September 03, 2006 04:55 PM)
Can't see how. Unless your watching the movie on an Ipod speaker system. The sounds in the movie are very good. Crank the stereo up and you'll find it very different.
This movie just proves that Kevin should stick to westerns. Since thats what he's good at.
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Samoan Bob — 20 years ago(September 05, 2005 12:12 AM)
"it sure beats the crap out of any John Wayne movie"
I will kindly point you to
The Big Trail
,
Stagecoach
,
Red River
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The Searchers
, John Ford's Cavalry Trilogy,
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance
,
Rio Bravo
,
The Cowboys
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The Shootist
, etc. etc. etc.
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Drunken_Pumpkin — 20 years ago(April 17, 2005 03:24 PM)
Silverado is an amazing Hollywood Action/Adventure Movie. It is set in the old west and is rightfully called a Western for that reason, but in my opinion, it should be compared more closely to Star Wars or Indiana Jones or any of the other mainstream thrill-rides that Kasdan has helped to bring to the screen over the years. In this light, I think the movie holds up to some of the biggest blockbusters of all time. It is obviously not meant to be viewed as a Western in the same sense as the "Dollars" trilogy or some of the darker Clint Eastwood fair.
If you think that it failed on the Action/Adventure level, I would disagree, but at least I could respect that opinion. To view a movie out of the context that it was obviously intended is just plain ignorant. Perhaps you would feel more comfortable viewing some other delightful westerns such as Back to the Future Part III or Wild, Wild West. -
Deathstalker2 — 20 years ago(April 20, 2005 11:22 PM)
If you hate movies with great heroes and villains, a love of high adventure, a straightforward sense of humor, and a distinct lack of pretentiousness, then yeahit sucks.
Seriously, I'm floored that people can watch Silverado and come away hating it. It's almost as though people think they can't watch a movie just to have a good time anymore.
"I know it's pretty damn weird to eat people." -Marv