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red_rackham_77 — 19 years ago(January 28, 2007 11:30 AM)
What else could he have done? He stayed with them till they all died and there is justice for all those poor souls that died on that terriable day. I got angry about the whole time that these people were working to building the Mission which kept them from become enslaved or captured by slave traders only to be told that they must leave the church and go back to the jungle where they will be hunted or killed again. It is beep like that, that made me spit at the Pope's picture. Political business and corruption exist even in the house of God, that is disgusting. The church is rich with jewels and luxury and yet Jesus wasn't a rich man, call me crazy but I think that as long as the church stays rich, there are no servants of God living in those churches.
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red_rackham_77 — 19 years ago(January 29, 2007 06:44 AM)
Oh really? And I suppose he got all of those security, doctors and the money for all those priests that molest children from God? (Excuse my language, Father but it does get my goat when priest who are suppose to be servants to You and I find out that they indulge themselves by touching innocent children. I know there is a special place in Hell for them and You'll leave them there, Amen!) Back to youthewesternforce; Not only did the pontiff give money to the priest that molest children so that they could be moved to another church but some money was sent to the parents of the victim in the hopes that they won't press charges. Now I am angry at parents that take the money but I am also angry at the pope for not coming out and sending those priest to the police and making them have to go through the prcess of justic.
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LordVader-10 — 19 years ago(January 29, 2007 01:35 PM)
Do you think ALL Catholic priests f uck kids? No, no they don't. And if there's one bad egg out of thousands of holy good men then don't pin it on the Catholic religion. That's like if I said all Muslims are sucicide bombers and all Jews are bankers.
And the Pope isn't rich. He gets it from people who RESPECT him. He uses it to run the Church/Vatican and gives the rest to charity. The Pope is just a high bishop. Do you know how much priests and bishops get paid? Enough to live on. Enough for gas, food, and maybe SOME luxeries like a DVD player and a comfy couch.
Have you ever heard the term "Innocent until proven guilty"? Thats why people are sent to court ass hole.
Another thing, the Catholic Church aren't a bunch of power hungry dicks like they were during the time of this movie. Now there much more toned down and nice.
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sakkamarra — 16 years ago(September 07, 2009 01:05 AM)
The man wears gold he's rich. It doesn't matter if he has nothing in a bank account. When you can get anything you want you're wealthy. Simple as that.
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LordVader-10 — 19 years ago(February 24, 2007 09:22 AM)
I was confused about the movie being on the Vatican Film List when the Cardinal is a negative character. The movie portrays the Church as corrupt and evil. My fanatic aunt (who read the Cataschim twenty times) says that the movie points out that Gods plan is perfect but his followers are not.
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David_Bro — 15 years ago(September 21, 2010 11:01 PM)
The Vatican never states that all Cardinals are good people or that there has never been corruption in the Church.
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MarketStMeanie — 15 years ago(February 12, 2011 07:49 PM)
That was your interpretation of the Cardinal?
I don't think he was a negative character nor was he corrupt and evil. Instead he was pragmatic. He had to make a tough choice it is blatant in the movie. Either the mission gets destroyed or the entire church in Europe. He hated his decision and based on his letter to the Pope in the beginning and his "thus have we made the world, thus have I" at the end I don't think he ever forgave himself for it. -
bringser — 19 years ago(February 25, 2007 04:21 PM)
he walked the wrong way!if he had just led the indians around the house and through the forest,then they all might have lived.but noooo! i gusse its only fair that he die to,since all the other priests did.
the first 3/4 of this movie is boring and in the last 1/4 everyone gets shot!!!
although the begginig was very touching.seeing all that the priest did to get to the indians to teach them about christianity.
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kinaro777 — 15 years ago(September 22, 2010 10:05 PM)
didn't hear what altamirano said at the end?
he said something like 'i left survived, but in fact it's me who's dead, and them who's living. becuz the dead spirit lives forever in the memories of the living'
if father Gabriel fought hard like others, well, this story would've been one of millions of fights happened in the world. but because he chose the means of peace to fight against enemy, this event remains as one shining demonstration of what is truly stronger: the sword for victory or the spirit for peace
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pcbluepunk — 15 years ago(November 29, 2010 08:58 PM)
Stupid like Gandhi and Dr. Martin Luther King. Gosh, those guys didn't know WHAT they were doing. Your observation is indicative of all the people who failed to 'get' this movie and its message. The music and scenery/landscape is incredibly well done. I'm actually glad that this movie is lost on most people, it would devalue the message if everyone agreed with you and completely missed the point.
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angelosdaughter — 10 years ago(August 29, 2015 06:19 PM)
This is a very old thread and you may never see this reply, BUT:
Not me; Father Gabriel taught these indigenous people his beliefs and they accepted them and looked to him for example; he lived among them and came to love and respect them and they him. Even if they had run, most would have been mercilessly hunted down. He could not save them, but he could die with them, maybe feeling that if the Europeans among whom were him and his priests had never come, the indigenous people would have lived unmolested. It is possible that there were priests who honestly and misguidedly thought they were leading the indigenous people to God instead of being used as a vehicle of imperialism. They did not have our hindsight. I know it is unpopular these days, but "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends." There are still a few who understand that concept. This monk was truly Christlike.
Father Gabriel and the native children who save what they can of the legacy that was left to them are my favorite characters in the movie. If only all priests were like Father Gabriel.
Actually, SeverusSnape38, your quotation at the bottom is the perfect embodiment of Father Gabriel. Your English needs work, but maybe it's not your first language.
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SeverusSnape38 — 10 years ago(August 29, 2015 08:11 PM)
Well said. Since this is a very old thread I can't say why I misspelled stuff because I don't remember.
if you aren't willing to die for what you believe in then there's no point for you to believe in anything