Paralells
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Nexus71 — 9 years ago(December 19, 2016 12:02 PM)
Well to be honest we should have never accepted those southern european countries in the Euro to begin with certainly now we are the ones paying for the debts of those countries a Euro with Belgium,Germany,the Scandinavian countries,the Uk and Luxembourg would have been a far stronger currency that would have been far wiser a then let all those other countries apply when their economic system is more like that of those northern countries.Or just drop the Euro altogether and have union with a strong and easily and clearly regulated internal trade system.
People over here don't want more Europe they want less of Europe.What would also help in having a more convincing monetary union would be if the regulations that were laid down during the Treaty of Maastricht should be upheld and lived by to the letter t,so if countries make a mess of their finances kick them out or apply harsh sanctions on those countries.Now it's the other way round countries that dare to take the harsh measures and comply to the rules and therefore will have a surplus get punished by paying extra fines(like Cameron didn't want to pay the fine we should have stuck with not paying based on the principle that because we do our best to comply and because of that get out of the economic crisis earlier we should not be the ones paying the bill of corrupt Italian or Greek politicians).
On the subject of immigrants there are two distinctions;
a)The immigrants from within the EU that are allowed the right of free travel and freedom to decide where to work.I have a problem with that because like I previous said when there are over 500,000 domestic unemployed(of which I've been part of for while,before recently getting started again)you don't give out work permits for Poles,Bulgarians,Hungarians etc plain and simple.The only reason this is done is because these will work for lower wages and shack up together to pay lower rents etc etc the domestic labour force becomes too expensive and can't compete,plus the influx of this cheap labour has lowered the wages one could earn from +2,500 euro a month gross a couple of years ago now one has to be satisfied with around 1,800=1,900 euro a month(often including shift allowances when before you would get a 10-30% extra on the 2,500 so that is dramatic drop)
b) Refugees I don't have a problem with that and I think people who really need political asylum should not be denied at the gate,but the whole massive influx from the North-African coast is a complex problem in my opinion the refugees should be taken up as much by countries in the region,for those that cannot use that route Europe should put up strict and unilateral regulations on who to allow to Europe build a massive amount of control posts along the southern border and check everybody and make a distinction between economic and political refugees.Economical(which is about 40-60% of the refugees) should be sent back with a a giant ferry to the African coast,some will try again but only a limited times after that policy gets around.Those Political refugees Build giant refugee-camps and facilities to have close guard on the facility and after that they should be spread across Europe decided by size and economic resilience to take up the refugees.Countries that don't comply get less EU subsidies etc etc . -
Nakitaakita-1 — 9 years ago(December 19, 2016 02:24 PM)
Lol.
Sounds like how we feel in the USA
Only the people that drive down wages here are criminally in the country.
And you will never get the Italians and Greeks to agree to rules of the Northerners!
No world order that elevates one nation or group of people over another will succeed -
Nexus71 — 9 years ago(December 19, 2016 06:23 PM)
It's not the people who I blame it's the politicians who appease just for this fairy-tale notion of a unified Europe that make these stupid decisions.
And if the Northerners stop paying the bills of Southerners maybe they will shape up and do something about the situation they have gotten themselves into.It is not that we are without power but that notion is now even in mainstream politics is gaining more approval and my country is not the only country that has his finances into order who think that!And even the very European minded Germans are now saying enough is enough shape up or leave. -
Nakitaakita-1 — 9 years ago(December 20, 2016 07:46 AM)
Still sounds like the USA and our lovely, wonderful southern neighbors. Believe me, it's the politicians that make sure they aren't kicked out.
But LOL about Germany. Merkle has sure botched that lovely country up hasn't she?
But we have that here too. They move the filthy refugees into small communities here too. Then the ragheads outnumber the actual citizens. Sad indeed.
No world order that elevates one nation or group of people over another will succeed -
Nakitaakita-1 — 9 years ago(December 20, 2016 09:37 AM)
Still sounds like the USA and our lovely, wonderful southern neighbors. Believe me, it's the politicians that make sure they aren't kicked out.
But LOL about Germany. Merkle has sure botched that lovely country up hasn't she?
But we have that here too. They move the filthy refugees into small communities here too. Then the ragheads outnumber the actual citizens. Sad indeed.
No world order that elevates one nation or group of people over another will succeed -
damengines — 9 years ago(December 30, 2016 08:57 AM)
ragheads? how racist. whats up with that, its almost 2017. you don't stand a chinamans chance of getting away with that kind of bigot tree now. now apologize noxemaweema.
and paralells isn't even spelt right dumb orginal poster. what are you iliterit? -
ewaf58 — 9 years ago(December 21, 2016 09:25 AM)
Hi I agree that the 'union' would have been much better off with only the strong countries forming the club.
With so many economically diverse countries allowed into the Euro it was always doomed to fail. If you can't set your own exchange rate then all your industry suffers if it becomes uncompetitive.
I'm am for some freedom of movement for labour because before the polish plumbers and builders arrived (as an example) we had to pay high money for sometimes low quality work as there was no competition. However it went too far.
Refugees have always been a problem. You can make a firm argument that we should never have invaded Iraq and made many mistakes in Syria - so now we have a real mess which we helped to create.
Bashar al-Assad is a truly terrible man - murderous and uncaring- but sometimes when I look at the human rights atrocities committed in Saudi Arabia they come over as just as bad. But of course they are our oil friends - so it's ok that they behead people and bomb civilians.
I think we have a duty to take some refugees in. -
Nexus71 — 9 years ago(January 01, 2017 10:34 AM)
I think we have a duty to take some refugees in.
I agree Ewaf and my country has a long tradition of being a safe haven,and I am proud of that legacy(it was the basis of our Golden Century during the 16/17th century).And where in many areas my country lay the foundations of the modern world of today.But of late too many seeking easy money and with no respect for our traditions and culture having used the guise of political refugee,are making a mess of things and put real refugees in a a bad light and that is where the backlash comes from too many people in my country (like those in the US and the UK)have felt neglected by their politicians in favour of these (fake) refugees and minorities and their way too costly pet-projects that add up to nothing in the end.There is where the anger lies mostly it's not against refugees it's against profiteers and all others who don't want to invest in themselves and our society only seeking the benefits and not the burdens.
Also they feel let down by Europe as I previously explained,and it certainly doesn't help your trustworthiness when you as a prime minister make a promise "No more Euro to Greece" when you have break that promise only two months in office. -
Nakitaakita-1 — 9 years ago(January 02, 2017 06:08 AM)
Why does a country have an obligation to take in refugees?
Why don't those people in that country fix the problem that is making them refugees in the first place? That is their obligation.
Also I find it odd that the refugees want to go to the countries that give out the most and best benefits. That, in and of itself speaks volumes about the refugees.
No world order that elevates one nation or group of people over another will succeed -
Prajee Malloo — 8 months ago(July 04, 2025 08:06 PM)
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