Acting Out Of Character
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deem_bastille — 9 years ago(September 20, 2016 03:49 PM)
mother fcker of god do I hate 'out of character' when talking about tv characters!
the reason why I teach writing, essentially pumping up your writing, making it better and description. I always say when creating a character [or when writing fanfiction and you are continuing a character]
no one who is nice is nice all the time
, we all have off days.
Oh God. Fortune
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Nakitaakita-1 — 9 years ago(September 21, 2016 01:58 PM)
Well as a big sort of former fan-fic reader and writer, it is odd when someone writes a character that doesn't act the way they do on the show/movie.
Picard looked fearfully at Riker.
"What should we do now?" He drew out the question, the pale sick look on his face taking over his entire mien.
Riker knew that Captain Picard could never deal with any situation where someone may have even the slightest possibility of dying.
Will thought about the four crew members on the planet.
"Sir, I think we can send a shuttle and get them." Riker said, nodding his head with his usual aire of self assuredness.
"W-We can?" The captain asked softly his voice rising slightly.
"I'll pilot the shuttle myself sir." Will said as he grasped Picard's shoulder to reassure him.
"Will," Picard said. A smile spreading across his face, "You'd do that for me?" He asked the relief audible in his voice.
"Of course I would sir." Will responded, grateful to have calmed the Captain.
See, it's just st wrong. And annoying.
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WyldeGoose — 9 years ago(September 20, 2016 08:40 PM)
Are there any instances throughout the show, where you feel a character acted out of character without good cause? Thanks
By and large, no, and to cut the show some slack, I am not including all the times prior to Datalore where Data can be heard using contractions.
If there is one episode that a main character acted out of character without good cause, I'd say it was Ethics. Jean-Luc Picard defending Worf's "right" to kill himself in his own sickbay was a bit egregious.
For a man who got upset about Worf beaming over to Duras' ship in the wake of him murdering Key'Lehr, and killing him, this seems a bit of a stretch for Picard to be making here. First he's applying human/Starfleet standards of conduct on Worf, and then in Ethics he's making a case for Worf to kill himself because it's too much for anyone to expect him not to do because he's a Klingon. I've never considered Picard to be such a bigot before, but that's what we call the Soft-Bigotry of Low-Expectations. It's not totally out of character, but it comes off a tad so. But, I forgive it mainly because he's human, in spite of whatever he believes himself to be. -
Angry_Dukat — 9 years ago(September 21, 2016 01:12 AM)
"but that's what we call the Soft-Bigotry of Low Expectations"
Kinda sounds like how the modern left views black citizens. "Oh don't blame him for his actions, he's black and he's poor. You can't expect any better." Then they have the nerve to play the race card when others demand more from black citizens instead of pandering to the victim complex. It really is sickening. Of course it doesn't help that we have a President who jumps the gun and assumes a police shooting to be unjusified and motivated by racism without an investigation. And why? Because the victim was black, no other reason, thus saying "It's okay, you're black. You're not responsible for your actions." Black Lives Matter does the same thing: assume racism and non-justification solely because the victim is black. They are racists with a racial agenda.
I used to identify with the liberal left, but thanks to Obama, BLM, and self-flagellating liberal whites, I no longer do.
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AndrewGS — 9 years ago(September 25, 2016 08:46 AM)
If there is one episode that a main character acted out of character without good cause, I'd say it was Ethics. Jean-Luc Picard defending Worf's "right" to kill himself in his own sickbay was a bit egregious.
For a man who got upset about Worf beaming over to Duras' ship in the wake of him murdering Key'Lehr, and killing him, this seems a bit of a stretch for Picard to be making here. First he's applying human/Starfleet standards of conduct on Worf, and then in Ethics he's making a case for Worf to kill himself because it's too much for anyone to expect him not to do because he's a Klingon. I've never considered Picard to be such a bigot before, but that's what we call the Soft-Bigotry of Low-Expectations.
From my ethics perspective killing someone else, even after he killed someone close to you, is a lot worse than trying to kill yourself (although of course abandoning your young son is pretty bad). Killing someone else is the kind of act that is so bad it justifies considering it bad in universalistic terms while the rightness a lot of other actions vary by culture and individual preference. But even then Picard was disappointed in Worf and punished him but still kept him as chief of security so his disappointment and disapproval were lessened by understanding. -
WyldeGoose — 9 years ago(September 25, 2016 10:03 AM)
Both suicide and murder are equally bad, because they're the same sin. However, there is justifiable killing, such as in self-defense or in accordance to a just war. But, in Worf's case, he did so out of revenge, and you could say it's second-degree murder or manslaughter (klingonslaughter?).
Picard is rightfully upset by the incident, but does nothing about it but put a nasty letter in his file, which does nothing to keep him from a promotion (a letter of reprimand ends your career forever in real life). Keeping him on only makes him more like a child trying to be an adult. His objection to Worf killing himself in light of a debilitating injury only makes him come off silly. But it's only a tad egregious, as I said, because Picard is such an arrogant snob. -
AndrewGS — 9 years ago(September 25, 2016 08:38 AM)
Wesley was unusually forward and insensitive with Picard in parts of "Samaritan Snare".
Worf saying that women were weak ("The Outcast") felt too blatant and regressive.
Pretty much the whole crew in "True Q" seemed unusually apathetic about Amanda becoming a Q.
The whole crew also seemed incompetent in "The Game" and somewhat "Rascals" and unusually brutal in "Phantasms".
On the other hand, Picard's "Shut up, Wesley!" is a wonderfully in-character out-of-character moment; the unusual circumstances did give it justification. -
GlobalWarmer1914 — 9 years ago(September 26, 2016 10:51 AM)
I am of the belief Wesley is the love child of Beverly and Picard and that Picard had Beverly's husband killed to cover it up. That might be considered out of character.
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