Where does it take place?
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Archived from the IMDb Discussion Forums — The Little Mermaid
mermanton — 11 years ago(September 12, 2014 06:02 AM)
Every Disney Princess movie takes place in a particular country or region. France, Germany, China, Scotland etc. I know Ariel lives under the sea, but Eric's kingdom is somewhere on the map. Some claim that it's in Denmark (where H.C.Andersen was born), others say in Germany and even in the Carribean (the music, Sebastian being Jamaican).
I will make a step forward and put Greece in the game. And here's why.
According to the greek mythology, Poseidon was one of the 12 Gods of the Mount Olympus. Poseidon and Amphitrite had a son, whose name was Triton. King Triton, I may add.
If we take into consideration TLM 3, Triton was married to Athena. Another greek name which also belongs to a goddess. Their oldest daughter has a very similar name as well, Attina.
I know Eric's kingdom is certainly not in Greece, but I think Ariel's origin has something to do with that country. -
Andthatismytwocents — 11 years ago(September 12, 2014 04:07 PM)
Some possible locales
Iceland (would explain second film despite penguin)
Faroe Islands a group of islands under Danish control
Denmark has many small islands around it could be one of them
The US Virgin Islands (seriously)
Once called the Danish West Indies
At one point they were Danish teritory and are near carribean islands as well
Would explain many a tropical creature
Eric's family could have been ruling class of the island him being last in line
When I saw the film I assumed it took place in the late 1700's but many adatations seem to debunk theories but the Virgin Islands seems quite likely
Also the story film is based on is a generic as Disney film so it's subject to imagination
Also virtually every culture on our planet has legends of half fish half humans
quite diverse
Pardon spelling
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Stratego — 11 years ago(September 22, 2014 05:40 PM)
Jasmine, Rapunzel and Anna respectively come from fictional countries called Agrabah, Corona and Arendelle, so I don't think those nationalities are correct. I also don't think that a meeting place in Epcot counts as canon.
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otness_e — 11 years ago(October 30, 2014 05:07 PM)
The settlements themselves may be fictional, but it is implied that their locations were in real countries, like Corona was part of Germany (see Eugene and Rapunzel's cameo in Frozen). Also, Arendelle had the priest explicitly coronating Elsa in Norwegian, meaning it was pretty clear Arendelle was in Norway. And as far as Agrabah, it's clear from the opening song that it took place on the Arabian Peninsula, and the presence of a river near Agrabah, maybe it being at least close enough to the ocean to dump Aladdin into it a short distance from the palace, suggests it is either in Iraq or otherwise in Jordan.
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otness_e — 11 years ago(October 30, 2014 05:38 PM)
No, it's not, it's implied that those are fictional countries set in an alternative world that shares some similarities with our world.
Actually, in the case of Frozen, they weren't fictional countries at all. Heck, the dignitaries were even explicitly referred to as being from France, Britain, Spain, and Germany. Heck, Weselton is actually a real area in Germany. And considering Eugene and Rapunzel were actually among the attendees at the coronation, apparently with the German dignitary's men, it's pretty clear Corona was in Germany.
As far as Arendelle, considering they explicitly used Norwegian instead of, I don't know, actually making up a language like how Star Trek made up the Klingon language or how Star Wars made up Huttese, that should be a huge hint that Arendelle is indeed in Norway. The art book even explicitly identified it as being in Norway.
And as far as Agrabah, you've got to be kidding me, the opening song explicitly mentioned it was on the Arabian Peninsula. It's even in the title of the song, Arabian Night. Even if you argue that the locations are in an alternate world, that DOESN'T mean the countries the locations were set at were fictional.
This isn't like Pokmon, where the regions are actually different from their real world counterparts, some even incorporating locations not even in the location a region is based on (for instance, Pastoria City being based on Boston, even though Sinnoh itself was actually based on Hokkaido, which are each in two completely different countries, specifically America and Japan, respectively). -
Stratego — 11 years ago(October 30, 2014 05:55 PM)
And considering Eugene and Rapunzel were actually among the attendees at the coronation, apparently with the German dignitary's men, it's pretty clear Corona was in Germany.
Or Corona is just near Germany or it's just a simple cameo you shouldn't break your head over.
As far as Arendelle, considering they explicitly used Norwegian instead of, I don't know, actually making up a language
They also speak English in Agrabah, China and all those other fictional and non-fictional countries. It's an alternative world where they also happen to speak Norwegian.
And as far as Agrabah, you've got to be kidding me, the opening song explicitly mentioned it was on the Arabian Peninsula.
Oh yeah, is that a country? Is Arabian Peninsulan a nationality?
This isn't like Pokmon,
No, it isn't, so why even mention it. -
otness_e — 11 years ago(October 30, 2014 06:10 PM)
Or Corona is just near Germany or it's just a simple cameo you shouldn't break your head over.
When their presence is directly acknowledged as having happened in the Official Art Book, no, it's not a mere cameo. Did Hunchback of Notre Dame acknowledge Belle's cameo as canon? No, it did not, and that was from the commentary.
They also speak English in Agrabah, China and all those other fictional and non-fictional countries. It's an alternative world where they also happen to speak Norwegian.
You know full well that that's called Translation Convention. Lots of films, even those that are otherwise of the nonfiction genre, have them speaking English even in instances where they could not have spoken the language.
Oh yeah, is that a country? Is Arabian Peninsulan a nationality?
It's a region at least, and considering the only three rivers converge near Iraq, that narrows it down a bit. I think it was also indicated that the river was the Jordan river.
No, it isn't, so why even mention it.
Because you claimed all the countries were fictional in an alternate universe, something that fits Pokmon more. -
Stratego — 11 years ago(October 30, 2014 07:49 PM)
When their presence is directly acknowledged as having happened in the Official Art Book, no, it's not a mere cameo.
Why would that mean it's not a "mere cameo"? They appeared in the movie for a split second and weren't even acknowledged, it was nothing more than a cameo. It doesn't imply anything more.
You know full well that that's called Translation Convention.
And you know full well that Arendelle doesn't exist in our world, so it's very much possible that in the alternative world of Frozen, Norwegian can also be spoken outside of Norway or in some fictional nation inspired by Norway. And in the movie, Arendelle is clearly presented as a country and kingdom, not as some part of Norway.
It's a region at least
But it's not a nation(ality). Aladdin and the rest are Agrabahian (or whatever), even if it's supposedly on the Arabian Peninsula.
Because you claimed all the countries were fictional in an alternate universe, something that fits Pokmon more.
And it also fits the movies mentioned. -
otness_e — 11 years ago(October 30, 2014 08:15 PM)
Why would that mean it's not a "mere cameo"? They appeared in the movie for a split second and weren't even acknowledged, it was nothing more than a cameo. It doesn't imply anything more.
Well, for starters, if it was a mere cameo that wasn't even intended to be canon, they wouldn't mention it in the art book. I definitely know that ET wasn't acknowledged at all in the Episode I Visual Dictionary for Star Wars, even though he had a cameo in that movie.
And you know full well that Arendelle doesn't exist in our world, so it's very much possible that in the alternative world of Frozen, Norwegian can also be spoken outside of Norway or in some fictional nation inspired by Norway. And in the movie, Arendelle is clearly presented as a country and kingdom, not as some part of Norway.
And maybe I should remind you that there is such a thing as a kingdom that is more like a small-scale city than an actual country.
But it's not a nation(ality). Aladdin and the rest are Agrabahian (or whatever), even if it's supposedly on the Arabian Peninsula.
Yeah, and it's also in or around Iraq, if it being the inspiration is anything to go by, and they referred to the river as Jordan.
And it also fits the movies mentioned.
Not really. They'd have different names and languages if that was the case, like making up a language entirely (think Klingon). -
Stratego — 11 years ago(October 30, 2014 08:30 PM)
Well, for starters, if it was a mere cameo that wasn't even intended to be canon, they wouldn't mention it in the art book.
They were in it for one split second and it was not mentioned that Corona was in Germany, so it doesn't mean anything. It was in the art book, because it's a nice easter egg for the fans.
nd maybe I should remind you that there is such a thing as a kingdom that is more like a small-scale city than an actual country.
What's your point? That's even more proof that it isn't Norway.
Yeah, and it's also in or around Iraq, if it being the inspiration is anything to go by, and they referred to the river as Jordan.
Doesn't make their nationality Iraqi, or whatever the other poster said.
Not really. They'd have different names and languages if that was the case
It's an alternative world with fictional countries, because in our world there are no such countries as Corona, Arendelle or Agrabah. -
otness_e — 11 years ago(October 30, 2014 08:44 PM)
They were in it for one split second and it was not mentioned that Corona was in Germany, so it doesn't mean anything. It was in the art book, because it's a nice easter egg for the fans.
No, but it WAS shown that Eugene and Rapunzel were accompanying the German Diplomat. And again, if it was a nice easter egg for the fans, they won't mention it in the art book. Was ET mentioned in the Episode I Visual Dictionary?
What's your point? That's even more proof that it isn't Norway.
Nope, it's set in Norway. Used Norwegian, hence Norway.
Doesn't make their nationality Iraqi, or whatever the other poster said.
But it DOES mean that that's most likely where Agrabah is actually set.
It's an alternative world with fictional countries, because in our world there are no such countries as Corona, Arendelle or Agrabah.
No, but there were obviously such countries as Germany, Norway, and Iraq, which is clearly where those places were at.
And let me remind you that a kingdom doesn't just simply equate to a country. Just look at Romeo and Juliet, for example. That was set in Verona, and had a prince, meaning it was a kingdom, yet from the way the play was shown, it was clear Escolas was the true ruler of the kingdom. -
Stratego — 11 years ago(October 30, 2014 09:17 PM)
And again, if it was a nice easter egg for the fans, they won't mention it in the art book.
That's a rule you just made up. There are no such restrictions.
Nope, it's set in Norway. Used Norwegian, hence Norway.
You are aware that certain languages are spoken in different countries? They speak German in Switzerland, does that mean it's part of Germany? No. It's set in the kingdom of Arendelle, which is clearly its own country
But it DOES mean that that's most likely where Agrabah is actually set.
Not at all. It perhaps mean that Iraq was an inspiration, but it's clearly set in Agrabah.
No, but there were obviously such countries as Germany, Norway, and Iraq, which is clearly where those places were at.
No, those places were at the fictional countries of Corona, Arendelle and Agrabah. Those real life countries might have been inspirations.
And let me remind you that a kingdom doesn't just simply equate to a country. Just look at Romeo and Juliet, for example. That was set in Verona, and had a prince, meaning it was a kingdom, yet from the way the play was shown, it was clear Escolas was the true ruler of the kingdom.
You don't have to remind me of anything, I clearly know more about the concept of countries and nations than you do. Wasn't Escolas actually the prince of Verona, meaning he was the true ruler in name and in fact? In reality, though, I believe Verona was part of the Republic of Venice. I don't understand your point. -
otness_e — 11 years ago(October 30, 2014 09:40 PM)
That's a rule you just made up. There are no such restrictions.
If there were no such restrictions, please explain why the Visual Dictionary for Episode I of Star Wars failed to mention the ET species in there? That's the same thing, and considering the ET senator was clearly just a cameo appearance, that should make it very clear that his absence was specifically because he was a cameo and not relegated to the film. And no, it's not a rule I made up. Just look at the Visual Dictionary for Episode I of Star Wars, heck, even the Complete Visual Dictionary for Star Wars.
You are aware that certain languages are spoken in different countries? They speak German in Switzerland, does that mean it's part of Germany? No. It's set in the kingdom of Arendelle, which is clearly its own country
Actually, no, it is indeed set in Norway. Norwegian is exclusive to Norway, unlike French, Spanish, German, or English. And if that's not enough, they specifically reference fjords in the film, which are very prevalent in Norway. If it walks like a duck talks like a duck and looks like a duck, it's a duck.
Not at all. It perhaps mean that Iraq was an inspiration, but it's clearly set in Agrabah.
No, what would be simply an inspiration is if they had based a fictional settlement in Japan on, say, London. Sort of like how various Pokmon movies double locations in various countries while the region is pretty clearly set in a region based in Japan (and in the case of Unova and Kalos, New York and France, respectively).
You don't have to remind me of anything, I clearly know more about the concept of countries and nations than you do. Wasn't Escolas actually the prince of Verona, meaning he was the true ruler in name and in fact? In reality, though, I believe Verona was part of the Republic of Venice. I don't understand your point.
Which is part of Italy, which is the point. -
Stratego — 11 years ago(October 31, 2014 06:51 AM)
If there were no such restrictions, please explain why the Visual Dictionary for Episode I of Star Wars failed to mention the ET species in there?
Star Wars has nothing to do with this movie. One person doing something, doesn't mean another person will do the same.
Actually, no, it is indeed set in Norway. Norwegian is exclusive to Norway,
Actually, no, there are very small communities in the US where Norwegian is spoken. But it doesn't matter, because in the FICTIONAL world of Arendelle, Norwegian is spoken outside of Norway or Norway might not even exist. The Norwegian language is never identified as such in the movie.
No, what would be simply an inspiration is if they had based a fictional settlement in Japan on, say, London.
You don't know what the word inspiration means either. The animators may have seen some images of Iraq, liked it and used the images to design the country of Agrabah. That's called inspiration.
Sort of like how various Pokmon movies
For the last time, fnck off with Pokemon.
Which is part of Italy, which is the point.
No, the point is that Italy wasn't a country before 1861. Do you know anything, except Pokemon?