Did part of her still love him?
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caroline-crane — 9 years ago(August 19, 2016 06:09 PM)
worrying if you've killed someone isn't the same as still loving them. one could well argue her worry was in going to jail for vehicular manslaughter which she'd worry about regardless, rather than specific worry about HIS potential death. she explicitly states that when she genuinely thought he was dying, she was happy.
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truetexian — 16 years ago(August 22, 2009 11:10 AM)
We can surmise whatever we project upon it. Her hesitant, not-quite-fully understood gesture and expression to his question as to whether or not she still loved him (as was the not-quite-so-sure death of them both) was a brilliant way to end the film. We are given the opportunity to take away what we wish, want and, hope for, for them as well as ourselves. Brilliant!
Now somewhere in these threads I read where someone was posing the question of who'd you cast in a remake. Why a remake? Most of the time they are unnecessary and insulting all the way around. I pose, if someone feels there is more here left untold, a sequel. Suppose neither of them died there that day, tangled together in that web of a chandelier. What would life be like for the both of them after that? How would, if at all, their feelings towards one another change? The movie, in my opinion, needs neither. But, if one feels differentlyisn't a sequel much more refreshing and interesting to explore than a remake? -
XrenegadeZ — 16 years ago(September 23, 2009 10:57 PM)
This film looks and sounds interesting from what i have been reading on this board. I hope to watch it sometime this week and hopefully share my views about it. It somehow reminds me of the movie Mr and Mrs Smith.
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rabksaj — 14 years ago(December 31, 2011 08:45 PM)
Mr and mrs smith is not at all about marriage problems but adventures of two spies who happen to be married and not knowing of each others occupations but war of roses is a dark comedy about jealousy and rage and divorce.
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purpleleaf7 — 14 years ago(January 31, 2012 05:38 PM)
I think she did but too much got in the way of their marriage. That's why they reached out to one another and then pulled away fast. The marriage and the fights became more of a game, of me against you and let's see who can win (remember "nah nah nah nah nah nah"). It's sad because they probably could have worked it out and found their love again but ugliness, bitterness, and revenge overpowered their love right down to the end.
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thefuture11 — 16 years ago(March 08, 2010 12:45 PM)
she hated him all the way. while they were dying on the floor, he reached out his hand in a final attempt to reconcile. with her dying breath, she pushed threw his hand off and gave him an angry look. she hated him.
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stevenackerman69 — 16 years ago(March 31, 2010 07:38 PM)
That was the whole reason why Gavin tells Homer Simpson the second option. If she had tried to maybe think why she didn't love him and if she really still did, maybe there wouldn't have been a problem. It was keeping it all inside that was a problem.
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mixedmed — 14 years ago(May 02, 2011 11:43 AM)
By the time your wife tells you that she was happy because she thought you were deadthat's a clear indication that she's no longer in love with you. And everything from that point is just a downward slideit won't get any better. Oliver was a fool because he didn't take Barbara seriously when she said she didn't want him anymore.
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leishayoung — 13 years ago(July 26, 2012 05:39 PM)
No, she hated him. I don't think she had actually loved him for a long time, but she loved the life he provided her. Once she established her own business and didn't need his money anymore, she wanted him out of her life forever, and she wanted everything he had ever worked for (his house).
He was never really in love with Barbara either, he was in love with the idea of them and how it looked to the outside world. The successful job, the beautiful house, the beautiful wife to go in the beautiful house, and the perfect children. His entire life is completely two dimensional and fake, he has no depth whatsoever. I don't actually think someone like Oliver actually really knows what love is; they live in a fairytale in their own mind and project an image rather than actually ever really feeling anything.
It is very easy to demonise Oliver in this film but I think they are both detestable schmucks in their own right.
I love the way the kids hardly figure in the story, they are just in the background and don't even seem to be much of a consideration for either of them, unless they can tell everyone that their kids were accepted into Harvardonce again, the kids fit the image.
I love this film because it is so damn honest about the 'American dream'. Two materialist schmucks would die for their possessionsit's horrible. -
jcshetler — 12 years ago(June 06, 2013 11:50 PM)
i don't think she loved him anymore at the beginning of the film. this goes with my post in the "self centered jerk" topic.
they probably loved each other in the beginning when it worked and when it was easy. later they just live together, make kids, spend money, etc. many couples fall into this pattern. then they realize there's no passion or real love left and hasn't been for quite a while.
this is when people cheat, become bitter or strive to rekindle their relationship. in the film they do the last two things but it's too late. too much anger and resentment has built.
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pullman1881 — 12 years ago(September 23, 2013 02:46 PM)
I think she loved him at the beginning. You can see his behavior annoying her like at the dinner party when he tells the story about the crystal glasses, if memory serves. Over the years he became more pretentious and annoying, to her, until she just couldn't take it anymore. I love the scene when she talks about wanting to smash his stupid face in. I understand that feeling.
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OldFriendOfTheChristys — 11 years ago(December 08, 2014 05:12 AM)
What I love most about the film is Barbaras unwavering feelings toward Oliver. She falls out of love and wants a divorceand never changes her mind.
Even at the end, as the two lie dying, she rejects him
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