War in Ukraine rages on, with no end in sight — peace talks are essential
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WarrenPeace — 3 years ago(October 04, 2022 03:13 PM)
War in Ukraine rages on, with no end in sight — peace talks are essential
The U.S. and Britain sabotaged peace talks in favor of grinding, endless war. Ukraine's people are paying the price
By MEDEA BENJAMIN - NICOLAS J.S. DAVIES
PUBLISHED SEPTEMBER 7, 2022 5:45AM (EDT)
For those who say negotiations are impossible, we have only to look at the talks that took place during the first month after the Russian invasion, when Russia and Ukraine tentatively agreed to a 15-point peace plan in talks mediated by Turkey. Details were not fully worked out, but the framework and the political will appeared to be there.
Russia was prepared to withdraw from all of Ukraine, except for Crimea and the self-declared republics in Donbas. Ukraine was ready to renounce future membership in NATO and adopt a position of neutrality between Russia and NATO.
The agreed framework provided for political transitions in Crimea and Donbas that both sides would accept and recognize, based on self-determination for the people of those regions. The future security of Ukraine was to be guaranteed by a group of other countries, but Ukraine would not host foreign military bases on its territory.
On March 27, President Zelenskyy told a national TV audience, "Our goal is obvious — peace and the restoration of normal life in our native state as soon as possible." He laid out his "red lines" for the negotiations in that televised speech to reassure his people he would not concede too much, and he promised them a referendum on the neutrality agreement before it would take effect.
Such early success for a peace initiative was no surprise to conflict resolution specialists. The best chance for a negotiated peace settlement is generally during the first months of a war. Each month a war rages on offers reduced chances for peace, as each side highlights the atrocities of the other, hostility becomes entrenched and positions harden.
The abandonment of that early peace initiative stands as one of the great tragedies of this conflict, and the full scale of that tragedy will only become clear over time as the war rages on and its dreadful consequences accumulate.
Ukrainian and Turkish sources have revealed that the U.K. and U.S. governments played decisive roles in torpedoing those early prospects for peace. During then-British Prime Minister Boris Johnson's "surprise visit" to Kyiv on April 9, he reportedly told Zelenskyy that the U.K. was "in it for the long run," that it would not be party to any agreement between Russia and Ukraine, and that the "collective West" saw a chance to "press" Russia and was determined to make the most of it.
The same message was reiterated by Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin, who followed Johnson to Kyiv on April 25 and made it clear that the U.S. and NATO were no longer just trying to help Ukraine defend itself but were now committed to using the war to "weaken" Russia. Turkish diplomats told retired British diplomat Craig Murray that these messages from the U.S. and Britain killed their otherwise promising efforts to mediate a ceasefire and a diplomatic resolution.
U.S. leaders have inflated the danger that Russia poses to its neighbors and the West, deliberately treating it as an enemy with whom diplomacy or cooperation would be futile, rather than as a neighbor raising defensive concerns over NATO expansion and its gradual encirclement by U.S. and allied military forces.
Far from aiming to deter Russia from dangerous or destabilizing actions, successive administrations of both U.S. political parties have sought every means available to "overextend and unbalance" Russia, all the while misleading the American public into supporting an ever-escalating and unthinkably dangerous conflict between our two countries, which together possess more than 90% of the world's nuclear weapons.
After six months of a U.S. and NATO proxy war with Russia in Ukraine, we are at a crossroads. Further escalation should be unthinkable, but so should a long war of endless crushing artillery barrages and brutal urban and trench warfare that slowly and agonizingly destroys Ukraine, killing hundreds of Ukrainians with each day that passes.
The only realistic alternative to this endless slaughter is a return to peace talks to bring the fighting to an end, find reasonable political solutions to Ukraine's political divisions, and seek a peaceful framework for the underlying geopolitical competition between the U.S., Russia and China.
https://www.salon.com/2022/09/07/in-ukraine-rages-on-with-no-end-in-sight--peace-talks-are-essential/
By MEDEA BENJAMIN
Medea Benjamin is co-founder of CODEPINK for Peace and author of several books, including "Inside Iran: The Real History and Politics of the Islamic Republic of Iran." She and Nicolas J.S. Davies are the authors of "War in Ukraine: Making Sense of a Senseless Conflict," coming this fall from OR Books.
By NICOLAS J.S. DAVIES
Nicolas J.S. Davies is an independent journalist, a researcher for CODEPINK and the au -
ToastedCheese — 3 years ago(October 04, 2022 03:21 PM)
There will NEVER be any peace in the ****hole of Ukraine. It parallels the conflict in Israel vs Palestinians. The US should mind its own ****ing business and fix its own ****hole problems, instead of condemning Russia for the same things it has done itself.
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WarrenPeace — 3 years ago(October 04, 2022 03:26 PM)
As long as the US, and probably Britain are involved, there will not be peace.
Yeah, there are those who think Russia is evil while turning a blind eye to the US which is just as evil or perhaps more so with all the invasions, civilian casualties and war crimes this country has done.
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Member since June 14, 2022 — 3 years ago(October 04, 2022 04:24 PM)
No one is making anything up to deride Putin. He invaded a peaceful neighbor. You don't have to spin that to make Putin look bad. He already does look bad. Not to mention all of the political assassinations he is responsible for in his time as president of Russia.
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ToastedCheese — 3 years ago(October 04, 2022 04:51 PM)
So please point out which individuals souls in these countries are on Ukraine's side, or do you get your information from corrupt and duplicitous MSM who are bribed by corrupt and duplicitous government.
What a brainwashed lemming you sound.
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Member since June 14, 2022 — 3 years ago(October 04, 2022 04:22 PM)
Where was anyone arguing that the United States hasn't done bad things? The only people I have seen turning a blind eye to bad deeds are people like you who defend Russia. Talk about hypocrisy.
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ToastedCheese — 3 years ago(October 04, 2022 04:36 PM)
Then you are a hypocrite for your selective reasoning. How dare someone not align their thought process with your tolerant intolerance. How dare you be bigoted against Russia and Russians…..
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Member since June 14, 2022 — 3 years ago(October 04, 2022 04:40 PM)
The only selective reasoning was what I pointed out: those who criticize the United States for their bad deeds, but excuse and defend Russia. Please explain where there was any selective reasoning on my part.
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Member since June 14, 2022 — 3 years ago(October 04, 2022 05:05 PM)
I'm looking to score virtue points on an anonymous account? That makes no sense. Your ability to construct logical arguments is seriously flawed. Russia attacked a nation unprovoked and is killing thousands of innocent people. They are bombing schools and hospitals. If you can't see how that is wrong and you see pointing it out as virtue signaling, then there is something wrong with you.
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ToastedCheese — 3 years ago(October 04, 2022 10:27 PM)
You would argue this in your everyday life too. Phony virtue signalling creep. Your outrage is faux.
Why do you really care? You don’t really, MSM told you too. Am I supposed to care?
Did you feel this way about the US invading Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan?
Putin had more claim than the US ever did for their invasions.
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ToastedCheese — 3 years ago(October 04, 2022 10:34 PM)
I couldn’t care what Russia or Ukraine wants, you are doing what the establishment wants you to do via MSM brainwashing. That is what is more concerning.
You would believe in the pandemic too.
Norman! What did you put in my tea?