What if Marty shot and killed Bufford Tannen in 1885 instead?
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StrongCarl — 10 years ago(December 31, 2015 05:03 AM)
All that would happened after Marty's trip to 1955, so with no Biff then Lorraine would have remained infatuated with Marty, George would not have had the opportunity to win her over by punching out Biff, so as soon as Marty would have shot and killed Tannen in 1885 then all the film reels, and VHS copies of BTTF 1 and BTTF 2 would have instantly disappeared!
No, because with no Biff Tannen, George would have been the one to take Calvin out of the car and tell him to get his hands off of Lorraine and Marty's plan would have gone as planned. -
TxMike — 10 years ago(December 31, 2015 08:23 AM)
No, we cannot know that because if it had been Marty in the car instead of Biff, and Marty had cooperated instead of fought, and if George didn't have the opportunity to knock out the town bully, then Lorraine might not have gotten sweet on George. In fact I'd say she wouldn't,
having George knock out Biff was essential to get him and Lorraine together and also to facilitate the end of BTTF 1 where the parents were happier, healthier, and wealthier people.
That all happened because George stood up to Biff and humiliated him.
No question if Biff had never been born things would have turned out very badly after Marty upset the apple cart in his 1955 visit.
.... TxMike ....
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Bavarian — 10 years ago(January 25, 2016 02:28 AM)
The Forces of the Universe
would have repaired the ruptured timeline. There would be a replacement for Buford, other people, new bullies who come into the life of the McFly family.
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TxMike — 10 years ago(January 31, 2016 09:48 AM)
You
DO
realize that just because you saw that fictional effect in fictional time-travel movies doesn't automatically make it a requirement for
every
time-travel situation?
And getting back to the OP question regarding this movie, if the writers were to choose to have Marty kill Buford in 1885 then they also would be free to write any type of histroy-changing effect they wanted to.
The premise in this thread is silly anyway, the "what if" for fictional charcaters and fictional stories have no meaning because the story we see is the one, the only one, the writers chose to present. If the writers had decided Marty will kill Buford in 1885 then they would have written a completely different story.
.... TxMike ....
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Matthew7819 — 10 years ago(February 08, 2016 06:16 AM)
I just dont see why killing Bufford Tannen would ever be a bad thing, you end that family line and remove their useless inbred family from Hill Valley, they were all stupid and evil people, Bufford was a murderer and so was Biff, Biff has a father called Kid Tannen in the Back To The Future Video Game and he was corrupt and a killed too, Griff was a crazy lunatic and a future killer, all of them were corrupt and a worthless blight on the town, why wouldnt killing Bufford have been a good thing?
Yes someone else might have replaced them but Hill Valley would have been better off and Bufford deserved to die for killing Marshall Strickland in a deleted scene, it was implied that he did this in the regular movie as well. -
donkeytonkman — 9 years ago(April 23, 2016 07:52 PM)
there's still a 90% chance that Biff and Griff would've been born. Buford, although it wasn't mentioned, probably had a child during this time period. So if Marty shot and killed Buford, Buford's child would still be alive and well. And then. who knows.
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sanddragon939 — 9 years ago(June 08, 2016 10:02 PM)
Also we have no idea if Bufford Tannen was Biff's direct ancestor or not. Its possible Bufford had a brother or cousin who was Biff's great-great-grandfather or whatever.
If Marty did do something that WOULD erase Biff though thenwoh-boy.
Honestly, there's no telling what would happen in 1955 without Biff. Without someone bullying him, George would be much more assertive possibly. Or maybe someone else would replace Biff as his nemesis. Just thinking in terms of butterfly effects thoughits possible that with no Biff in 1955, Marty (that is, Twin Pines Marty from the original timeline) wouldn't even end up following George to Lorraine's place and saving him from the car. Okay, let's follow that line of thought
In such a scenario, Marty would seek out Doc, he would go back to the future on November 12th and arrive in a future which was either pretty similar to the one he left (except that Biff didn't exist, so maybe George was getting bullied by someone else or was generally just a loser) or one where George was a little more assertive (or maybe a lot more assertive) and successful. Of course, Marty would be surprised that there's no Biff and no one heard of him or even knew that he existed.
The next part of the trilogy really depends on how Marty's kids turn out. Actually it depends on whether he goes on that race with Needles. I think that's something which exists independent of Biff. However it also depends on whether he has the 4x4 truck. If he does, he may well race Needles, get into the crash and his future ends up around as bad as it was in the 2015 we saw in BTTF2. Alternatively, no Biff means Marty gets to borrow the family car and he may or may not race Needles in that.
Okay lets assume that Marty DOES end up racing Needles and getting into the crash. His life is messed up and pretty similar to the one in 2015. But there's no Griff to torment Marty Jr. Does this mean Marty Jr. becomes more assertive and has a better time of it than he 'originally' did? Or does he get hassled by some other bully and get into some other trouble? The original arrest probably doesn't happen, but lets say Marty Jr. gets into some other trouble. Or hell, forget Martin Jr. maybe Marty gets into some other trouble. That leads Doc (who's visiting the future) to go back and get Marty and Jennifer and take them to 2015 to sort out the problem with their kids (or Marty's future self).
But finallythere is no Old Biff to steal the Almanac and the Delorean and its REALLY stretching things to suppose there would happen to be someone else would steal the Delorean and go back to do what Biff did. So that's where the story ends in a Biff-less reality. Doc, Marty and Jennifer, assuming everything goes well, would head back to 1985. Marty would either get into that race with Needles or not (most likely yes since there isn't any particular reason he would overcome the 'chicken' problem). Doc probably decides to do some further time-traveling (he has no reason to destroy the time machine now). The end.
Now what does this all do to the Marty and Doc in 1885, the former of whom has actually killed Bufford Tannen. By all rights, he, Doc and the Delorean should be erased from existence. But maybe the universe gives Doc a break and allows him to live out his life with Clara in the past. As for Marty, he heads home to 1985 and meetshimself.
Things are gonna get real trippy now
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EightiesKid — 9 years ago(November 20, 2016 11:04 PM)
I'm glad somebody else mentioned that Buford probably already fathered a kid by then. He seemed like the type who would've had one night stands with a prostitute or a lady of the night, and I doubt he would've been married lol.
But the concept of what Hill Valley would be like without Biff or his relatives would be interesting. I'd imagine George would be somewhere inbetween. Still kind of a wimp and unassertive, but without being pushed around as much, could've had at least a little more confidence. There could've just been another greaser kid in 1955 that took Biff's bully role anyway (though probably not as bad as he was).