From a man's point of view.
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Stratego — 9 years ago(October 11, 2016 12:39 PM)
Well well, you have a problem with Joe because he's abusive towards the women in his life, but just look at the way you talk to a woman. Hypocrite much?
You misunderstood 90% of this movie.
And you misunderstood 100% of the poster's point. Here:
"Many films try to win us over to their point of view by dehumanizing the victim, playing up how evil they are and deserving of what they get."
Seems you completely misunderstood the movie itself and the fact that it succesfully manipulated your emotions. -
epiphany-954-509107 — 12 years ago(March 21, 2014 05:12 AM)
It is easy in these modern times to forget that just a few years ago child molestation was something that everyone tended to sweep under the rug. Until recently this was a mans world. If you were born 1970's or later, you have never experienced the way it was for way to many generations of women. Even in the movie, detective Mackey figured out why Deloris killed her husband, and was still out for wrathfully justice to get the Mankiller. It didnt bother him at all to emotionally abuse the girl who'd already been through hell. Not to long ago, the world we lived in believed the victims deserved being abused, spousal abuse, child molestation It was all shameful and kept hidden. The abuser never had consequences, but those they abused, well it effected their whole lives and always effects the generations that follow. This is the ugly truth.
At least 1 out of 5 girls were molested. I don't know what the estimate is now but I hope it's gone down. I am old enough to have lived in those times, when it was completely a mans world. I rejoice at the many changes toward making this a safer, healthier world for all. You may condemn that these things are brought out into the light, but, unfortunately, it is because these things are talked about in the light of day and made into movies that we are now living in a culture that no longer further abuses women and children by blaming them for what their abuser did to them.
As a woman, I am so very relieved that at last the things which used to be only whispered about.. Things women were powerless to changeand where we suffered our whole lives with no recourse.Are brought out and looked at in the full light of day. As a woman who is old enough to have experienced living in that mans world, I am grateful to be living in a world more balanced than it has been for a few thousand years. We still have a long way to go but we are at last getting there.
Yes, I suppose some men do want their world back, but then again, when we look at those completely male dominated cultures around the world.. Abuses toward women and children are condemned. Funny, isn't it! The difference between those male dominated cultures and ours, here in the USA Is education, and 30 years.
Yes, Kathy bates deserved an Oscar, and much recognition for her performance!!!! Excellent movie, excellent subject matter! It is because """ IT""" is now being talked about that we ALL know its wrong! All hail movies like this and education! -
lexluv101 — 11 years ago(July 05, 2014 07:33 PM)
This is true as illustrated by the scene in the bank. If he were convicted, he wouldn't have spent as much time as today most likely. In addition to that, Selena wasn't wanting to tell people because she was so conflicted, which could have led to a trial never coming to light, and additional trauma on the child if it did. I'm not condoning murder, but it seems pretty clear why she did it, and the times contributed to that.
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Stratego — 9 years ago(October 11, 2016 12:34 PM)
Hey folks, let's not condone taking the "law into our own hands." These women had other alternatives besides murder. No one deserves to be murdered because someone else finds them odious, evil or whatever.
Many films try to win us over to their point of view by dehumanizing the victim, playing up how evil they are and deserving of what they get.
This was another rehash of feminism's "women as victims" and an "oppressed minority."
As a woman, I condemn those points of view of the film.
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cableye — 9 years ago(January 03, 2017 07:20 PM)
Thats what I got from it too. Delores put up with a lot of abuse and didnt kill her husband until she found out what he did to their daughter. Hell hath no fury like a mama bear whose cub is being trifled with!
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zdurnel-1 — 20 years ago(June 25, 2005 06:10 AM)
I have to agree, but anyone really who is pushed beyond their limits will do just about anything to get away. As a man I live by 'Hell hath no fury' because Vera and Delores' have a focal point to focus their angerI am not about vigilantism and I really just remember that Delores' and all mothers have this maternal instinct that if you mess with them or their young, you will pay, Joe did, and he fell into a hole. Jack ignored Vera, she took care of that problem too. So really, I think that Vera and Delores were true friends, having a mutual understanding of wht each other went through, no one in Vera's circle could have understood that. Part of me still wanders, after Joe was killed, I don't think that Vera or Delores ever spoke of that again, possibly Vera had friends at Vassar College to help out Selena, the story and connections could have gone on and on.
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jadesliver — 20 years ago(July 07, 2005 08:33 AM)
This film is about desperation. The women did what they had to do because circumstances wouldn't allow or make room for any other alternatives. Whether their oppressors were men, women, children, lawn knomes or monkeys, they did what they had to do to save themselves, as anyone would.
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aivlispdx — 19 years ago(July 19, 2006 08:48 AM)
It's funny that you say that (first poster) because last night I made some pretty sucky stir-fry for dinner. Well, afterwards my bf said that basically it sucked and was the worst thing I ever made. Well we both laughed about it because it's true and I didn't like it either. Well after dinner watching this movie when Joe says the line about having a fat ass and being a lousy cook. my bf looks over at me with this expression like"uhh please don't bludgeon me to death tonight in my sleep." Haha I got a kick outta that and an apology!
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blackmorsel — 19 years ago(August 29, 2006 05:49 PM)
As a black, dwarf, blind, transgendered serial killer, I didn't approve of what Dolores did.
No really, I don't think you being a man changes anything.
And there have been plenty of horrible females in movies (Nurse Ratched in One flew over the cuckoos nest being one example of a woman who tormented men and as the audience we were made to want her punished) -
djsnafu23 — 17 years ago(January 28, 2009 06:49 PM)
Are you MF Grimm?
myspace.com/bankrupteuropeans
Coz lifes too short to listen to Madlib -
parvati_patil — 18 years ago(April 14, 2007 08:42 AM)
It was a bit scary to hear two woemn talking like that, but they were not talking about a simple argument between a couple. They were talking about a man who was drinking, who had no respect for his wife, who stole money from the members of his own family and who sexually abused his own daughter. There's a difference.
Harry realized that Malfoy was crying, tears streaming down his pale face into the grimy basin.