The only thing I didn't like….
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Archived from the IMDb Discussion Forums — Renaissance Man
TheReelMcCoy — 17 years ago(June 29, 2008 09:38 AM)
were the cadences and the "hip-hop" marching formations that they used throughout the movie. Admittedly, I've never served in the military, but that seemed a little over the top to me. Aside from that, it's a fun little movie that doesn't take itself too seriously.
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c-huddleston — 16 years ago(February 01, 2010 10:20 PM)
It's supposed to show that they are so disciplined they can manoeuvre any way they are commanded to do.
All it really shows is you can train any idiot to do anything. And that all you have to do is take out the one guy with a brain - which is why there are so many trained snipers -
designedjordan — 16 years ago(February 07, 2010 10:00 AM)
this comment adds colorful commentary on the whole post even though it is hypocritical, biased, uninsightful and a complete waste of time to read. i think i'm going to start stalking c-huddleston's posts and say everything he says, except reworded. let us pray.
it's demonstrating that they, probably the people marching, can follow orders by someone in charge.
what it all boils down to is that everyone except me (which i follow my own path of complete freedom and self righteousness and brilliant correlative observation and run on sentences and gifted insight to the online masses) is a moron who has been taught to be a moron by morons with more capability to be less of a moron which is why people with guns that have scopes, which subsequently can be shot more accurately at a long range, also due to a higher caliber bullet, precision rifling, and a bolt mechanism on them are of such, that is of idiots i mean. -
c-huddleston — 16 years ago(February 07, 2010 11:22 PM)
Really?
Consider this: what is the point of drill? To make people work as a unit and follow orders without thinking. That's why they call it drill. And where the expression "drilled into you" comes from. Remove the person who gives the orders and chaos ensues. This is a fact - a military fact. Hence snipers as far back as the Napoleonic Wars.
If you cannot get your head around that, try learning some drill. At least you won't get shot by a sniper.
Stalk away, moron.
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designedjordan — 16 years ago(February 08, 2010 05:27 AM)
surely?
think about this: What is the meaning of drill? that is so ostensibly easy that i am going to go on ranting on what i am talking about even more to prove that i am a moron trying to explain to the entire imdb message board what drill, a drill, marching, basic operations, basic training, the accumulation of one's greatest ambitions is. "that is why the call it drill." let me add an expression so your mind might be more easily able to grasp this confounding subject i am presenting, this expression directly correlates that i can correlate to diverging my own topic to the point we all forgot this post was about someone criticizing a questionable cadence scene, so here we are "lick into shape". when you lick one into shape you establish a commander (one who gives commands) and the aggressor (one who aggressively carries out the commands), the order establishes a balance which creates a harmonious relationship, for if you were to take away the commander then only pandemonium would reign. this subsequently has known to be factual, a truth, a studied and tested verisimilitude that dates back to the 18th century. therefore since this is the truth we can ascertain that there were snipers about this time in the 18th century (though the rifles allowed for a less than desirable accuracy and range). what is even harder for many, including you, including myself is that there were snipers even before the napoleonic war, which is devastating to our realities as it completely changes everything, including how we think.
hmmm (that sound of synapses dying and the hum of humans droning like locomotive parts) if you cannot grasp this concept, though you've shown no ability to, and haven't even come across the tangent i am discoursing right now then maybe you should learn some drill. the military has over many years adopted drill as a way of life, and in many regards as a staple in the societies belief of a soldier being part of a team, rather than that of only himself. if you exercise these drill customs and beliefs there is no way at all, ever. that you will be shot by a sniper. one quick reason this little tid bitty is entirely true, think about the texas tower sniper, who did he shoot? he shot students that had no drill history, so case in point, if they would have known drill, they wouldn't have been shot. since this is a movie board and our discussion has strayed from movies, this movie nicely and philosophically creates a semi-fictive account of the texas shooting, http://www.imdb.com/board/10126260/ . most notably note how his victims do not know drill.
oh, dreary lost souls, seeking direction, like sailors in a clouded night sky, follow me, into the annals of history, like the wolf, hunt, hunt and stalk your prey. you birdbrained imbecile pundit. -
Fluffis — 15 years ago(July 24, 2010 06:41 PM)
Who cares. This is the best cadence ever sung on film:
Here's the story of a lovely lady
Who was bringing up three very lovely girls.
All of them had hair of gold, like their mother,
The youngest one in curls.
Quidquid Latinae dictum sit, altum viditur. -
quint-roth — 14 years ago(January 30, 2012 09:42 AM)
Having served in the Military, I can say that they don't do these in the beginning, but wait until close to the end of a soldiers Basic Training term. Once they have learned how, the DI adds a little flare and excitement just to see if they can handle something out of the ordinary. I've talked to other soldiers and they said they were never shown because they had issues learning the basics of marching. In other words, no time to teach advanced or additional cadence
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Bernnard_Black — 13 years ago(May 15, 2012 05:15 AM)
I dunno. I went through basic training (actually OSUT training) in the early 90's, and we NEVER did anything like that stuff Hines was doing. Flashy and cool, but not something I ever saw or knew of being done for real. There's one little sequence where Hine's character gives the command "to the rear, change step, hesitate, march" or something along those lines. Can't say I ever saw that one.
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MovieRat-2 — 13 years ago(July 20, 2012 08:10 PM)
Every military school from basic training to OSUT to junior ROTC to military intitutes (my catch-all for any secondary and post-secondary school with a strong military focus) all have their own ways of teaching drill. Some stick with simple cadences (to include memory aide cadences) while others will teach more complicated and elaborate cadences. It all comes down to who is teaching the drill and how much time and effort is put into drill and ceremony. From my personal experiance, and humble opinion, the main purpose of cadences is simply to help the soldier, trooper, marine (what have you) "embrace the suck" of having to spend marching, turning, flanking, running, etc etec for God knows how long. Its like the old sea shanties that sailors sang to help them perform various mundane tasks on the ship.
Cadences/Jodies/Shanties (whatever you call them) create that interesting paradox in the military: they help you focus on the task at hand while at the same time helping you to mentally escape to that "happy place."