bigass time plothole
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McFly_2015 — 16 years ago(October 15, 2009 11:41 PM)
I use the Y theory and I'll go by back to the future to explain it:
Up until 1985 there had been no time travel and thus the timeline is a straight line. Marty travels back in part 1 to 1955 and changes the timeline. So we now have the new timeline and the original timeline so the timeline should look like the letter Y turned 90 degrees to the right with 1955 being the point it splits.
Then in part 2 they travel to 2015, Biff steals the time machine, goes back to 1955 and changes the timeline. At this time, now there are 3 timelines; the original one without time travel, the second timeline where Marty changed 1955 and a third one where Biff travels to 1955. So now the timeline looks like a pitchfork angled 90 degrees to the right.
Doc and Marty travel back to 1955 and stop Biff from changing the timeline in 1955 destroying the third timeline and reverting back to the second timeline. So you could either say the timeline now looks like a rotated Y or consider this to be a fourth timeline (which is very similar to the second timeline except for some extra time travelling in 1955 which does not seem to change the future timeline drastically).
I wont factor in part 3 because it doesn't add to the discussion. But anyhow this is how people can change timelines. So at the end or part 1, Marty travels to the second timeline despite being from the first and being the only one with memory from the first timeline.
When Biff returns to 2015 in part 2, he goes to a continuation of the 3rd timeline (and a deleted scene indicates he does not live to 2015 in the new timeline so he promptly disappears).
The only way to return to a previous timeline is to restore it like Doc and Marty do in part 2. Example: Mr. Green goes back in time from 2009 and murders george bush Sr. as a child, presumably he returns to a different america in 2009 since 3 presidential reigns are wiped out but should be the only person who would know who George Bush Jr. was. But now Mr. blue goes back in time to 2008 and murders Mr. Green before he has the opportunity to travel back in time, now the original timeline is restored.
So in terms of timecop, no max should not return to his original timeline where his wife is dead because this event does not happen. Now whether or not he should remember the first 10 years of his childs life is up for debate. Back to the Future theory says no, but Frequency theory suggests he should remember both timelines.
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dolores_medina — 14 years ago(July 05, 2011 11:01 PM)
"The only way to return to a previous timeline is to restore it like Doc and Marty do in part 2."
There is a problem though. Restoring a timeline from within the timeline is simply changing the new timeline into another branch that will simply be similar to the Old branch but can never equal the old branch.
The ONLY way to totaslly eliminate an old branch is to travel to 2015, and stop old biff, from going back in time. Only by preventing old Biff from even setting foot in 1955, can you " revert" the time line.
perfect example. the Original timeline as it is in Part 2. does Not have Old biff in it. the new timelinedoes. Therefore the new timeline is version 4. not version 2. -
dolores_medina — 14 years ago(July 05, 2011 10:53 PM)
"Second, if you touch your younger self, the matter isn't really in the same space; you're simply placing part of your body right up next to your younger self, which is different from actually occupying the same space. "
That wasn't a Plot Hole though, that was Bullsh*t the writers came up with for the deus-ex-machina moment of How to deal with the bad guy.
You are right, mearly touching your past self is no different than touching someone else. even if you go back in time 1 day, and decide you wannna " beep yourself" and turn it into a pleasant experience instead of fighting words.
If BOTH sets of atoms were trying to occupy the same space at the same time, regardless of whom they belong to or how oldyou would have catastrophic consequences. But mear touching??? That can be very pleasant indeed. -
Mandy_Whitsands — 14 years ago(June 02, 2011 03:45 AM)
hey sorry if this topic has been brought up before i havent been on this meesage board before but after the film ended i was sat thinking that doesn't make any sense.
this is mainly because of jean claude van damme. He comes back from the past (where he left himself and his dying wifeafter saving them) and then he returns home and everything is hunky dory.
But if he left himself in the past then surely that version of himself would still be in existence when he returned making him come to an alternate reality where there are 2 versions of himself now he has returned e.g. like in back to the future where he returns after biff changes everything.
its probably thats meant to be overlooked and not thought into that much but just something i needed to point out.
no, when the old Van Damme returns to the time he came from, the young Van Damme stays in the past and has 10 more years to reach the time where his son comes out of the house (final scene). By that time (+10 years) the old Van Damme obviously isn't there any more, but 10 years ahead in time.
They won't ever meet again.
For the same reason you can't catch up in age with your older sister. -
hfctorch — 14 years ago(July 17, 2011 10:34 PM)
I noticed that too.. There would certainly be too Van Damme's when he returns to the present. You'd think he would he realize after 10 years after finally saving his wife she would be alive in the present, but when he gets back he is depressed and doesn't even realize till he sees her. I also love how his home was still blown to smithereens, yet when he returns to the present it's perfect. I guess we could assume it was rebuilt. But it still looks like a real old house. Also you'd think McComb would have killed him before he was born, as soon as he saw him as a threat when they first met, instead of going to his house right before he became a memember of the TEC. Also, they mentioned in the film somewhere toward the middle the only time travel is TEC and the Prototype. So if it is just in the hands of the TEC, and they're only purpose is to protect time. Why have the TEC or time travel device at all? There is a million plot holes, but I still love it.
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Dmp2789 — 12 years ago(October 18, 2013 08:56 PM)
I thought the biggest plot hole popped up within the first few minutes. "We can't go to the future, because it hasn't happened yet."
If that's the case, if you change the past, you change the future, making the future impossible to go back to since you changed it, making it not happen yet. Yeah, fun movie, but man does this have more plot holes than Chicago has pot holes. -
viking-fjord_90 — 10 years ago(September 11, 2015 07:15 PM)
If timetravel was possible, it would be more logical to think that they wouldn't be able to go back in time BEFORE the time machine was invented. This mainly because of The Grandfather Paradox, where any change made in the past could destroy the timeline where the machine was invented (and thus cancel the whole destruction of the machine to begin with).
So, you could only go back to the exact same time the machine became functional, in order to be able to interact with the people and the surroundings. This means that it would be opposite from what the movie shows. You'd be able to travel into the future, but not the past. However, it wouldn't be such a smart idea to travel into an unknown future in which the planet could be blown up and you'd die instantly before being able to go back in time. So, unless you're the daring type, if somebody invented a time machine, you'd have to wait 10 years in order to go back 10 years or whatever time within that frame.