Was Michelle the original wolf that bit Jack? (SPOILERS!)
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pfalkyk — 16 years ago(May 19, 2009 03:04 PM)
no. i don't believe so. i see nothing to connect michelle's character with the original werewolf. she was far too easily subdued by james spader's werewolf AND! the horses were mortally terrified of Will when he was barely even beginning to feel his wolf nature. yet michelle's character could ride the horses without difficulty EXCEPT when Will appeared & frightened the manure out of them.
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visiondelmar — 15 years ago(August 20, 2010 12:53 PM)
I posted this in another thread, but considering the debate it is worth posting here:
Throughout the film Laura was not a Wolf, she became one later.
There is an underlying theme throughout the film of being bitten and turning into a Wolf. Will was bitten, Stewart was bitten, and the Dr. asked to be bitten to become one.
I doubt sex is enough to become a Wolf, or Wills wife would have changed in the days that followed after making love. While I agree with the Dr.s belief that one doesnt have to be bitten to become one, and that the passion of the wolf alone can make one change.
Had Laura this passion she would have turned into a Wolf earlier in the film. We can agree that if she did not spend the night with Will she wouldnt have become one. Something had to have happened the night she spent with him.
Most likely Will bit her. He did turn that night, biting her would be hard to avoid. A little nibbling easily turned into a bite:), as they were making noises. Especially with Will being the animal he is, I doubt he could control himself:)
Just like Will began to have heightened senses a couple of days after being bitten, it would make sense that Laura would exhibit these characteristics in relatively the same time after being bitten by Will. -
erikriveros — 16 years ago(October 25, 2009 12:35 PM)
i thought pfieffer became the wolf from sex with nicholsonwhat i took from the convo with the mystic is that many things can turn you into a werewolf, not just the obvious, getting bit
i agree that nicholson's unfaithful wife could have become a werewolf had she not been killedpfeiffer understood that there were werewolves about, while in the police station when she asks spader if he had been bitwhen she realized that she too was becoming a werewolf, she liked it (everyone that turned, enjoyed being a wolf) and she was prepared
great scene, pfeiffer looked fantastic!!,
interesting side note, jack nicholson, the actor can actually turn women into wolves, bears, and any other damn thing he wishes, but he can control it.
it is better to have a gun and not need it, than to need a gun and not have it -
The_White_Hotel — 14 years ago(February 02, 2012 07:39 PM)
I have already written across this very thread and at some length about how the "michelle was the original wolf" theory relies on baseless assumptions and actually contradicts quite a lot of what we are told in the film. You turn up and announce "I'm pretty sure she is the original wolf" without offering any explanation for the plethora of questions that that reading of the film raises, and you're complaining at me?
"Reality is the new fiction they say, truth is truer these days, truth is man-made" -
martytamu27 — 14 years ago(February 02, 2012 11:28 AM)
Wow you are passionate on this trivial topic haha
First it's a movie and make believe so the only ones who know are the writers and director. And the director intended it to infer that she was indeed the wolf who bit jack at the beginning.
All the points you bring up are in no way conclusive. You just use them to fit your conclusion.
Many movies (all) with twist endings har tons of jnconsistencies and just plain plot holes that don't support the twist. Not really the case here. All of your proof can easily be explained away. Such as wolves can travel great instances in short periods of time. Especially the supernatural were wolf. Variety.
See jacks late night hunting expedition.
I'm to busy to engage in a debate anyway.
Those like yourself are so entrenched in their opinion it won't change no matte the evidence and wint debate rationally anyway.
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The_White_Hotel — 14 years ago(February 03, 2012 07:04 AM)
Jack's late night hunting expedition didn't involve him leaving the state now, did it? And you've got nothing to counter the horse affect or the fact that Pfeiffer's character clearly
doesn't believe or expect
Jack to be a wolf for the first 90 minutes of the film. Amazing, you start off by complaining that I haven't made a case for this, then you belatedly discover that my case is in fact written all over this thread at which point you simply say "all your proof can be explained away", but without even a cursory effort to explain it, whilst all the while making out that somehow I'm at fault for something (although you can't seem to decide if that something is having no argument or having too much of one).
Look, this isn't personal, but my opinion is based on what we are shown and told in the movie, whereas the other opinion relies on ignoring what is in the movie. If your attitude is "who cares" why join in the debate in the first place? And if your whole argument is "well, nevertheless I'm still pretty sure she was the original wolf" then why complain at me for saying "well she wasn't"? Especially as she clearly wasn't.
"Reality is the new fiction they say, truth is truer these days, truth is man-made" -
martytamu27 — 14 years ago(February 03, 2012 02:40 PM)
OK first of all you put way more thought and analysis into this film than those who wrote and directed itso that there is something.
and you cant analye every little detail and infer things from it, because when filming or writing a film, there are tons of incosistencies that even the makers dont notice until afterward post-production.
but what we can go by is what the writers and directors intended.
when they showed michelle at the end as a wolf, the first thing that popped into most peoples head would be, oh she is the wolf from the beginning that bit him and she knew all along.
Allthe points you made is just her playing it along to hide that she was a wolf.
Also how would a were wolf get hit by a car? they have super senses and super intelligence (for a wolf), unless they meant to get "hit" by a car.
where does it say that she wasnt in the area that nite?
even if she wasnt there is nothing to say it was impossible for her ot be in the woods that night.
What else what the director be trying to convey to the audience, what message, would it be by showing her as a wolf at the very end? by holding that revalation out until the very end what other reason could there be than letting the audience know that she was teh original wolf?
Or thta there is a huge pack of werewolves in that area?
not another one was ever in the film.
Explain that one bitwhy would the director wait until the very end to show michelle was a werewolf? what message was he sending?
to me i dont see how anyone can interpret that to be oh michelle is a werewolve but it was some other random werewolf that bit jack at the beginning. see how clear i make it by showing you michelle is a werewolf? so obiviously an entirely different unknown werewolf must have been the one who bit jack at the beginning, get it?
no i dont see that as the directors intention at all.
he meant for us to see and infer that michelle was the wolf that bit jack at the beginning.