Episodes where ray was right and Debra was wrong
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jptf2 — 9 years ago(May 10, 2016 09:08 PM)
I'll just list a few people haven't mentioned:
The Gift: Ray knew his father better than Debra and was correct that the fish dying reminding him of death was not what he was upset about.
Recovering Pessimist: Forced optimism never got anyone anywhere.
The Children's Book: Debra tries to write it herself but gives up, Ray finishes it for her, she gets pissed off, re-writes what he wrote, and then when Ally liked Ray's better, he decided to lie to her because he didn't want to hurt her feelings. What's she so pissed off about?
Let's Fix Robert: Apparently Ray is the bad guy for wanting to tell Robert the truth about their manipulation.
Christmas Present: This backfired on Ray, but he cleverly unpacked Debra's ulterior motives and hypocrisy. She
likes
having things to complain about so she can make the marriage seem totally unbalanced.
Boob Job: How DARE he like his wife's boob job. -
EnnJaySee — 9 years ago(May 12, 2016 08:17 AM)
Lol at some people here. Those who think he was right to leave her behind are wrong. You're wrong. That is not a healthy relationship, that's a cancerous one. That's a relationship doomed to failure the second you leave your other half behind. That is a major mistake, it's hurtful, it's wrong. Being late in getting ready is just annoying, it's an irritation, it's not terminal. Women are well known to hardly be on time, this is well known to all men. We put up with it. Men are forever waiting on their wives lol my dad knows all too well what that's like but he would never leave my mum behind. That's unhealthy and people who think it's alright to leave them behind are doomed to end up alone. Yes the woman should be ready, it's a pain in the ass when they aren't but it's nothing compared to your other half ditching you.
Goodbye.
#VivaLaBull - "Go away. You aren't even American" -
JosephASpadaro — 9 years ago(May 12, 2016 08:26 AM)
It's a passive/aggressive "power trip" on the part of the woman. It's all about power and control.
How is
that
healthy for the relationship?
So, if one person (the woman) is on a power trip and needs to gain control through passive/aggressive behavior, the relationship already has problems.
Let's not pretend that the problems arise or are caused by the husband not waiting. -
Wildstyle26 — 9 years ago(May 12, 2016 11:43 AM)
And I am a woman. I start getting ready early, so I can be out of the house by a certain time. If the guy is dragging around, chances are I am gonna leave. Ultimately, he could have left with me had he cared, and gotten ready on time.
If anyone is tardy, sounds like a personal problem they need to work out, rather than intentionally being careless, waiting until the last min. and excepting people to just go on pause for them. -
andrereichenbacher — 9 years ago(July 10, 2016 10:28 AM)
I completely agree with you. A while back there was a thread on here discussing whether or not Ray was right to leave Debra behind in "Lateness". And as I recall, it was split right down the middle. Some, like me, felt that Ray was in the wrong to do what he did and that one does not "A.I.S." one's wife, because "it just ISN'T done", and the rest of the contributors were on Ray's side, saying that Debra had more than enough time to get ready and should not have put the straightener in her hair with only three minutes to spare. It became quite a heated argument, and I was chastised by some posters for saying what I said. Well, I dont care. I still believe that what Ray did was wrong and that Debra had every right to be furious at him when he returned. And it was pretty funny at the very end when he was sitting on the bed with the cheap flowers waiting for her, and then he groans in defeat. That was funny!
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everydayimbrusseling — 9 years ago(May 14, 2016 06:09 AM)
Definitely Let's Fix Robert & The Annoying Kid.
I'm surprised no one said Bully on the Bus, Favors, The Sigh, The Ingrate, Meeting The Parents or Blabbermouths. Ray was 100% right in those. & that's just off the top of my head.
He was right most of the time. -
littlelotte1410 — 9 years ago(May 16, 2016 06:44 PM)
Season 3, episode 20 "Move Over."
I totally side with Ray here, which does not happen often. It is completely legitimate that many people just can NOT fall asleep when someone else is touching him or her (not only do I personally know several people who are like this, I am also one of them). Debra has no right to get mad at him over that. Not only that, but he goes out of his way to get counseling from his priest to try to figure out what is going on and what he can do to fix it/make it better. He thinks he is sincerely solving the problem to give Debra what she needs that also gives him what he needs AND that does not require her to do anything extra aside from receiving the physical intimacy she wants and needs - poor Debra. eyeroll She is 100% out of line in this episode. -
andrereichenbacher — 9 years ago(June 04, 2016 10:00 AM)
Because, as Debra said, he was so afraid his daughter would hate him that he "folded like a cheap tent". Because Ray had an unhealthy obsession with everyone liking him, you see. That was one of the more infuriating aspects of his already screwed-up personality.
The way Party Dress ended was pretty appropriate, though! -
ShinnickNeth — 9 years ago(June 04, 2016 01:37 PM)
I don't know if it has been mentioned but the one where Debra throws out Ray's Muhammad Ali signed letter (or was it a picture?can't remember). It wasn't so much for doing that but trying to manipulate and lie about it that bugged me. In all fairness, I also get upset when Ray lies too.
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HellboundHero — 9 years ago(June 07, 2016 02:29 PM)
I think there are times when Debra skimps when it comes to food and buys unhealthy snacks for the kids and frozen appetizers for parties. It's ironic because earlier in the show, Ray said that Debra cooks for health and cuts the fat off of steak, while Marie cooks for taste, regardless of fat content. After that, Debra isn't really ever depicted as conscientious about healthy eating, other than the tofu turkey episode and that was mainly because Marie wanted to eat healthier.