Deborah and Robert should have had an affair
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NobodymournstheWicked — 9 years ago(October 11, 2016 05:08 AM)
And the too is one that I had even forgotten about, and which is worse not to be able to trust your best friend or your sibling that you have known your entire life that is if you are the younger sibling. In less one of you to adopted to some other family, or say if you have a very big age difference like say if you were born when they were in high school or even starting college. But it would be bad on both sides, if Deborah and Robert had an affair if Amy couldn't even trust Deborah anymore or if Ray couldn't even trust Robert anymore. Older siblings depending on if they would be any other children might have also gotten time to spend alone with the parents before another one was born.
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lpt0127 — 9 years ago(October 11, 2016 10:21 AM)
Phil Rosenthal was originally going to explore that option.. in that episode where Robert and Debra go dancing, there's a scene in the director's cut where Robert gets an erection and Debra brushes up against it.. but that idea was later scrapped.
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NobodymournstheWicked — 9 years ago(October 11, 2016 06:40 PM)
It is a great idea that any episode or plot involving them to having an affair should be scrapped and if you think about it would hurt a lot between both Deborah and Amy and Ray and Robert. And the biggest thing that would be trust.
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SkiesAreBlue — 9 years ago(December 01, 2016 05:33 PM)
Agreed. It wasn't that kind of show. Didn't start out to be that kind of a sitcom. To have that happen(an affair) with anybody else would have killed the momentum. Where would Debra have the time and can you imagine Ray's spin on where he has been if he was hiding an affair. He could never tell a plausible story.
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NobodymournstheWicked — 9 years ago(October 12, 2016 06:43 PM)
You are right about that, that is one thing that messes up families if ban affair happens and it could all depend on who the two people are. And the worst case senerio would be, if one of the two people happened to be a sibling of one of the married couple, and the other person is the best friend of the person of the other one is either currently dating or married to.
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leedeelee — 9 years ago(November 23, 2016 04:56 AM)
Right? He's way too sensitive. No matter how sweet or adoring he would be to her, she'd still be a screaming shrew ordering him to "get the door!" "get the phone!" She'd destroy him and give him even MORE self-esteem issues!
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Wildstyle26 — 9 years ago(November 26, 2016 09:48 PM)
Debra has had, or initiated sex with Ray a good bit. Either he ruined it, or his family interrupted. There's almost 30 examples of Debra being interested in sex.
I am just copying an pasting an old post. Since this topic came up a good bit when the board was more active. I cut off many to keep the post short. If you want the rest of the examples, just ask.
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In The Power of No, Debra wanted sex 3 nights in a row, and Ray turned her down at every chance. I can understand him wanting to see how it feels to be pursued. But he lost 3 nights of sex all on his own because of it.
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Then in the episode in season 5, The Sneeze. Debra is dressed sexy, lighting candles and ready for sex, and all Ray can talk about is snot and getting sneezed on.
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On his birthday, Marie is angry at him. He and Debra are about to have sex, and she praises him not worrying about Marie being mad at him, and how she didn't even give him his birth-minute kiss. So they start kissing, then Ray pulls away and says he can't have sex if Marie hasn't kissed him.
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In the Wallpaper episode, the wall is put back up after Marie drives through it. Ray closes the curtains and starts kissing Debra. He stops to look at the wallpaper. Debra explains why it's different, then pulls him in to kiss him again. Ray pulls away and starts fixating on the paper.
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When Ray is upset about Debra having gifts from her ex boyfriends, she tries to calm him down and tells him to come here. Ray says he won't be lured by her sex and storms out.
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In Frank Paints the House, they start to have sex on Sat. morning, but Frank is right outside of their window, painting already. They Ray says he can't have sex with Frank out there.
So, if he can afford to turn down sex, then he gets enough of it. We just see him turned down because it's a comedy show, and the rejection is funny. And even with good sex, it's just never enough for Ray.
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Season 1, he accidentally wakes Debra up at midnight. He asks if she wants to play Baker and the Mind Shaft, or something. Debra replies "Ok, but I get to be the baker this time." Just woke up, Ray asks for sex, and she says ok.
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After Uncle Gus' funeral, Ray asks if she wants to do it. She smiles and says "I might."
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In Season 8, Fake Party, Ray screws up with Debra's birthday. The next day, they go out and spend time together. Then end up having sex that night.
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Debra is watching a tape of everyone in Itally. She says she wishes everyone could just hold on the the feeling of enjoying everyday. Ray jokingly says they can go upstairs and enjoy the rest of that day. Denra shrugs and says ok, and takes his hand to go upstairs. But then Frank and Marie drive through the house. -
leedeelee — 9 years ago(November 27, 2016 09:17 AM)
I agree that Ray in real life would have cheated on her. Men don't necessarily cheat because of sex or lack thereofhe would have cheated because she always made him feel like a piece of crap, putting him down all the time, embarrassing him in front of his friends and his family, calling him idiot on a daily basis, assaulting him because he put clothes on TOP of the hamper instead of IN(at least he didn't toss them on the floor like most men)whatever his faults were, he was never as mean to her as she was to him. He would have cheated, found someone to have an affair with, and then divorced her.
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leedeelee — 9 years ago(December 02, 2016 02:32 PM)
They had much better chemistry (friendship-wise) as brother and sister-in-law. Whenever Debra was annoyed with Ray, well in other words
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leedeelee — 9 years ago(December 03, 2016 06:56 AM)
HmmmI just don't see it, even in fantasy. In the episode where they went dancing, I didn't see or feel any type of chemistry that would suggest if she weren't with Ray, that she might be with Robert. She's too controlling, and too much like Joanne. A "ball-stealer", totally not right for him emotionally or romantically
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