Harsh on Percy?
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Bernnard_Black — 11 years ago(June 02, 2014 10:03 AM)
I can understand why people would question why Coffey would do what he did, but I have no real problem with it.
In the books, they make several things abundantly clear about Percy:
1: He doesn't care about anyone but himself. He routinely threatens people he disliked with "the breadlines", and in the Depression-era south, that was a BIG threat.
2: He is abusive to the prisoners not because he hates their crimes, but because he enjoys being mean and abusive. Percy likes being mean, and working in a prison is a perfect way to practice that because it's less likely that he'd be questioned or called out for it.
3: Percy is not afraid to do something wrong; he is only afraid of being caught doing something wrong. "Getting in trouble" is something he tries to avoid, usually through his family connections.
4: Percy hated Delacroix with a passion. Even Paul didn't quite understand WHY this was; he just recognized it was true.
5: Percy knew exactly what would happen with the dry sponge, because he was told. He'd been asking Van Hay, the guy who usually flipped the switch, to tell him all about what the sponge was for and what would happen if it wasn't wet. One reason he puts in for his transfer as quickly as he does is to get out of there before anyone finds out he was asking so many questions about it before the execution took place.
Given Percy's behavior and personality, I think he'd have been even worse at the mental hospital, where the patients would have no protection at allnot even the "release" of execution. Percy is like a cruel child poking a cat with a stick or burning ants with a magnifying glass. He wants to see what happens. But in his case, he's practicing his perversions on people, not animals. He chose to be a death row guard for a reasonhe wanted to see someone electrocuted up close and in person. If he finds that fun, you have to wonder what kind of sick sh!t he'd do in mental hospital.
So I think Coffey KNEW what Percy was like, possibly better than anyone else, and didn't want him to be turned loose on a hospital full of people who couldn't protect themselves. So, he did what he could to stop it, short of actually hurting or killing him. He's no longer a threat to anyone, and never will be.
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oantonio — 11 years ago(November 07, 2014 09:10 PM)
The movie makes it seem like Percy was being bullied by the other guards. I guess you cant show everything from the book in a movie, but the guy was constantly threatening the other characters to have them fired for any little thing he didnt like (in a time where just having a job was like being rich).
Also in the book, when Del (a small guy) just arrived at the mile, Percy beat him senseless for no reason at all. I think he did that just to have fun and because he could. Percy himself was small, so he enjoyed torturing weaker beings than him. It was heavily implied (if not outright stated on the book), that Percy would have tortured the mental patients for his own amusement, had him being moved there (the old Paul framing story had a modern day Percy torturing him later on the book, being all "you cant do anything about it because Ill just say you had dementia).
In short, I think Percy was a more sinister and threatening character in the book, while still being quite pathetic. Just before reaching the point where Coffey infects him, I was hoping for him to just die (maybe being killed by Wharton). What happened was almost better: he survived, but unable to hurt anyone anymore (only Billy that is).
Also, I think Will Bill was much more threatening in the book, in the movie he almost seems like comic relief (until the reveal of course). -
deem_bastille — 11 years ago(November 08, 2014 12:36 PM)
I am only about a half hour into this movie and I have never watched it before but I can already tell that Percival [he has no business being called by a nickname] is the biggest douche to walk onto ANY SET.
he thinks he can do what he pleases, including throwing his baton at will just because he exchanges Christmas presents with the governor. I hate people like him. the rules don't apply to them and they suck at being human beings.
they have no souls.
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dalldorfw — 11 years ago(November 15, 2014 10:45 PM)
"Again Percy is portrayed a real scumbag but as far as we know he hasent killed/raped anyone"
He never killed anyone, he just happens to work on death rowwait, what?
"he just seems to have abit of a fetish in seeing these scumbags on death row really suffer, and personally I actually take that stance than the ones the guards have in being pally pally with the death row scum"
It's alright to torture murdering, sadistic sum just so long as the murdering, sadistic sum doesn't have any authoritative power. Yeah, that all seems perfectly fair and balanced.
It always amuses me how people will complain about killers and sadists being coddled, but when they happen to be authority figures, these same people are always the first to coddle them. For example, any HLN viewer: "Poor wittle jaun martinez; he was just getting paid large sums of money to yell at people as he sends them to their deaths and the defended TALKED BACK TO HIM! Whaaa!"
And because most of the population is neurotypical no one is able to see the irony. -
Anorensic — 11 years ago(November 28, 2014 01:26 PM)
So Percy done not get turned into a vegetable.he later reports his imprisonment in solitary confinement and get Paul, Brutus and others fired from their jobs and perhaps even serve prison timein the meantime the dirt-bag Percy climbs the ladder of success using his many connections.The End.
Sounds about right!!
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nimstic — 11 years ago(December 24, 2014 07:36 PM)
I think we must realise people commit heinous crimes are still people, at least some of them are who can repent their actions like Del did. He was full of regrets. He remembers the most beautiful times he spent before, wish he could go back there. God forgives those who repent with all their hearts. None can deny Del didn't deserve such a consideration irrespective of what he did. And none probably would have felt he be let off death penalty. He is still going to die but he deserves to die with dignity. This is the mark of a civil society, right?
Percy's actions are quite disgusting. Despite being a meek, cowardly person he takes sadistic pleasure in making restrained people suffer. What he did to Dan is unspeakable crime done to someone who regretted his actions AND is going to die. Percy deserved harsh punishment, otherwise there may quite likely be a lot more Del's as John could see through his hands (whether or not he continued at E5 or had gone to the mental hospital). So to me, I am absolutely in favour of whatever happened to Percy, he deserved it
As for your views on taking his stance, I really do not what to say. I, like the mass audience I guess favoured how Paul & Brutal treated the criminals.
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stelladeli — 11 years ago(January 15, 2015 08:51 AM)
and personally I actually take that stance than the ones the guards have in being pally pally with the death row scum
It feels as if you didn't watch The Green Mile. Somehow, you've gotten an entirely different message and in the wrong way. This movie teaches respect, tolerance and morality; not hatred, indecency and murder.
Also, Percy brought his punishment upon himself.
It seems to me like learning to forgive could do you (and those who support the death sentence) some good. The death sentence is as vile as murder itself and it is against the Moral Code and against the teachings of Christianity (for those who choose it as their religion).
Quoting John Coffey:
Mostly I'm tired of people being ugly to each other. I'm tired of all the pain I feel and hear in the world everyday. There's too much of it. It's like pieces of glass in my head all the time. -
Planikta — 11 years ago(March 23, 2015 08:13 AM)
Did he deserve to be turned into a vegetable?
Yes.
Remember that dell more than likely did something awfull to be on death row.
Which is why he got sentenced to death. That's the price he has to pay for his crime. He wasn't sentenced to be tortured by Percy
Again Percy is portrayed a real scumbag but as far as we know he hasent killed/raped anyone.
He intentionally caused another man to go through horrible suffering before his death. As far as I'm concerned, torture is worst than murder.
personally I actually take that stance than the ones the guards have in being pally pally with the death row scum
Life will eventually teach you that everything isn't so black & white. Look at Caffey. He was sentenced to death, but clearly didn't deserve it. If you'd stop at his sentence and the crime he allegedly committed, you'd be tempted to torture the guy to death. Do you think that would that make you a "good" guy?
Prison guards have a job, and they're doing it. Simple as that. One of the simplest way for prison guards to get their job done is to avoid provoking inmates who have nothing to lose; never forget about the context of being on death row Better be "friendly" with the guys and avoid getting shanked (or lessen the risk/probability, at least), as far as I'm concerned. -
Hanz-Willhelm — 11 years ago(March 25, 2015 07:35 AM)
Yes.
He tortured Dell to death. Why, Dell laughed at him once.
He also attempted to break Dell's heart by killing his mouse.
He was a horrible human being. What he did to Dell was worthy of his outcome.
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