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β 5 years ago(July 07, 2020 03:30 AM)Why are you conflating the two? The two Organizations donβt have remotely the same objectives.
Another right wing propaganda tactic.
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β 5 years ago(July 07, 2020 10:03 AM)Bullshit . Lol
Watching too much Hannity there. The police as a national entity are an example of an overly violent group considering they canβt stop beating their wives and killing people they investigate.
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Vlad. β 5 years ago(July 07, 2020 03:36 PM)
I despise hannity
The police are probably violent because the job is one of the hardest in the world to do right. Maybe Iβm wrong. Letβs say the numbers youβre eluding to, with respect to police and domestic violence, are genuine and to be taken at face value. Itβs better to have a police force with some level of accountability than groups of citizens (ie armed thugs) roaming the streets and enforcing their own βmight makes rightβ laws wherein only the strong get to say what is right or wrong.
Defunding the police is a bad idea. They need more funding because their training is lackluster. Train them in conflict resolution and give them proper combat training so they donβt resort to patently dangerous tactics like leaning on peoples necks. Increase accountability and oversight. But do not make their jobs harder, which willl just make the police more desperate and poorly behaved
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β 5 years ago(July 07, 2020 05:44 PM)You keep mischaracterizing BLM on purpose . Every protest group is going to piss off the group of people oppressing them. The purpose of protests is to make people uncomfortable so government makes the seismic changes they are asking for. You want protests quiet and calm so you can ignore them.
The police donβt need MORE money. Their training is proving ineffective because of itβs quality and not itβs funding. They need the exorbitant funds they already have divested to services where itβs actually needed, like hmmmm Education. No country has a more unnecessarily militarized police force than the U.S. And increasing accountability doesnβt help when the lack of accountability is starting from the top and pervading every level of departments down to the lowest level.
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β 5 years ago(July 07, 2020 06:28 PM)Meanwhile everything you say on this topic is a regurgitated Fox News talking point.
You care more about Department stores getting windows broken and some petty theft than you do about a group of people being Systemically killed by the State. One can only assume stupidity, brainwashing or sociopathy when you prioritize outrage for the former over the later.
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Vlad. β 5 years ago(July 07, 2020 07:03 PM)
You just told me the looting and the blm protests were different things. Why are you conflating my disapproval of looting with my disagreement with the blm movement? Iβm in favor of the Crux of the blm movement which is a push for equality. Looting does nothing to further that cause; I am opposed to looting and rioting.
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Vlad. β 5 years ago(July 07, 2020 06:03 PM)
Looting businesses and hurting people is not protesting. Those are crimes. There is a difference. BLM protests, loots, and has hurt people. Those are facts.
People have been killed during BLM protests, including black people. People have been socially crucified and fired from employment for voicing any semblance of criticism of BLM. These are not good things, Erica.
So you think we should defund the police. How exactly will we be instituting change in how the police are trained if you cut their budget? Why not demilitarize the police, keep funding flat and reallocate the capital toward training them in conflict resolution skills? That way you keep the police while killing off the root cause of police violence which is their inability to peacefully deescalate situations with potentially violent individuals like George Floyd, who was a felon.
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β 5 years ago(July 07, 2020 06:06 PM)BLM is not looting or attacking businesses. Looters are doing that. You are conflating two groups that donβt overlap.
You canβt just assume people attacking businesses are BLM protesters especially since there are clearly agent provocateurs(Some police) doing the damage.
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Vlad. β 5 years ago(July 07, 2020 06:16 PM)
So why do blm supporters get so upset when normal people express disapproval of looting and rioting? Why is blm conflating riots with its own so called peaceful movement?
Perhaps because the looting occurs during blm protests. Maybe that is why, and maybe itβs not blm that is to blame. In any case, blm is capitalizing on it and itβs very hard if not impossible to differentiate the two. Theyβre now one in the same, unless you can prove me wrong (i am hoping you can)
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β 5 years ago(July 07, 2020 06:20 PM)They get upset because you think OTHER people who are NOT THEM looting businesses someone discredits the equality and justice they are fighting for.
They get rightfully upset when conservatives Care more about replaceable property than irreplaceable Black lives. A building can be rebuilt. Black people killed by the State cannot be brought back.
If you donβt get that youβre a numbskull (and you are) not worth educating In the first place.
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Vlad. β 5 years ago(July 07, 2020 06:25 PM)
Why should I believe you? I see CNN report on BLM protests in Seattle followed by riots, looting, and a rebel autonomous zone that seemingly emerged out of said protests. This is from CNN, honey, how am I to interpret these events if not directly related.
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β 5 years ago(July 07, 2020 06:32 PM)Hitchenβs Razor. If you are claiming these two groups are the same than you provide the proof.
Itβs not my responsibility to disprove an assumption youβre choosing to make. Opportunists looking to steal usually take advantage of chaos to do so. And it serves anti-protesters interests to make the protesters look bad by committing crimes during their protests.
White people have been caught on camera doing it many times.
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Vlad. β 5 years ago(July 07, 2020 07:09 PM)
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.oregonlive.com/news/2020/07/black-lives-matter-protests-taking-place-in-portland-salem-on-the-fourth-of-july.html%3FoutputType=amp
Iβll have to get some more examples when Iβm not working
I think blm has a lot of good people in it. Lots of them are peaceful. Lots of them, however, are not. So to say blm is or is not peaceful is a loaded statement because itβs a somewhat amorphous entity. I will concede there are external elements injecting themselves within BLM, with the intent to spark violence. I will stand by the fact that the two are causually linked; were there no BLM protests there would not have been (blm or not-blm) riots.
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DrakeStraw β 5 years ago(July 07, 2020 07:29 PM)
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