Confederate statues are being pulled down or removed in Virginia
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Corwin — 5 years ago(June 07, 2020 06:06 PM)
Washington helped found a country, and it was the work of decades. Despite any failings and wooden teeth.
Lee was the unsuccessful military leader of a failed 4-year long rebellion.
How are the two in the same league? And why would Lee deserve a statue? -
Platonic_Caveman — 5 years ago(June 07, 2020 06:14 PM)
I didn't say Lee's in the same league. Again, I'm not a Southerner. I don't relate to them at all. But Lee was important to Virginians enough to have a statue erected. A quick google of his history shows Lee was an important historical figure. And there are much less important figures who have statues allover the country.
What is the point of removing his statue now? Because he supported slavery? So did Washington, Jefferson, Adams and scores of others.
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Platonic_Caveman — 5 years ago(June 07, 2020 06:23 PM)
Pffffft. I can name every president in order, give his political party, and make a brief comment on his administration. I'm a history buff.
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The Real Donna — 5 years ago(June 07, 2020 06:32 PM)
Then you're biased in favor of black people which is okay but if you ignore everyone, then the other races/ethinities will get angry! That's what this administration was trying to resolve. The voters he represented needed an adminiatration to level out the playing field just a little. Things were off balance and you cannot ignore those folks because they…well they're angry just like blacks and latinos and other people of color are angry at the unfair government policies. It's a collective thing. It's about government. The point wasn't race wars. Only narrow minded stupid people made this about race wars.
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Corwin — 5 years ago(June 07, 2020 06:24 PM)
I definitely take your point on the Founding Fathers who were also slaveowners, and their statues' day might come, some day.
But beyond being merely a slaveowner, Lee is arguably a symbol of a slave-state in the making, the Confederacy. The Confederacy was about slavery. If you want to argue it was also about states' rights or mint juleps I will just have a nice laugh. -
Platonic_Caveman — 5 years ago(June 07, 2020 06:35 PM)
I was taught in school that the Civil War was about state's rights, not slavery. I had a good laugh at that one even when I was a kid. I agree with you there.
But you really think Jefferson's statue would or should come down because he owned slaves? I hope that kind of absurd denial and retroactive faux morality never sweeps this country.
Both the Union and the Confederacy had abominable practices. Women couldn't vote, homosexuals were thrown in prison, 10 year olds were forced to work in factories, blah blah blah. You can't judge those men by today's standards. Robert E Lee worked within the framework of the cards he was dealt by history.
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The Real Donna — 5 years ago(June 07, 2020 09:27 PM)
I doubt that Jefferson's black mistress had that much issue with being his mistress. Besides, Jefferson is long dead. People need to get over it. Lol a white man has never raped me. Never ever. I can't say that about any other race or ethnic man.
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MovieManCin2 — 5 years ago(June 09, 2020 05:09 AM)
You're welcome, PC! As usual, you're the voice of reason in the face of the stupidity and hysteria of the great unwashed masses.
MAGA! FAFO!
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MovieManCin2 — 5 years ago(June 09, 2020 04:21 AM)
They're
not
in the same league. Lee got a few statues in the South,
big deal.
He's a large part of American history, and as such deserves the recognition.
On the other hand, George Washington is revered by the entire country! We named our capital and an entire State for Washington. He's also on the one dollar bill!
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Lilith — 5 years ago(June 08, 2020 12:47 AM)
I called it.
Ever see the movie DEMOTION MAN?
We're moving to that society where we're eradicating unpleasant parts of history instead of using them to teach and moving forward as tools and learning implements so we do not repeat them.
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Corwin — 5 years ago(June 08, 2020 12:56 AM)
why not just put the statues in a museum, then?
besides, those statues are not about reminding people about the horrors of slavery or the Civil War. they were sculpted and placed in parks and plazas to celebrate the cause. -
Lilith — 5 years ago(June 08, 2020 01:00 AM)
They were initially put there for that reason. We can repurpose them.
Just like the movie DEMOLITION MAN, everything in that futuristic society that's found distasteful gets hidden from view and locked away and people don't see it.
When's the last time you went to a museum?
Regardless of where it is, the message remains; We use the opportunity to teach our children, and so forth, about the atrocities of our history. We don't rewrite it so our kids grow up unaware of names or visuals.
Do we always just remove things that make us uncomfortable, and lock them away? Or do we become stronger by learning how to deal with them and teach our kids just what the truth is behind them?
I'm not a fan of revisionism.
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