Stupid, evil movie
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johnwink — 9 years ago(January 26, 2017 09:14 PM)
That does not keep kids from every generation punching their fists in the air and screaming "Yeah! Yeah! Yeah!" and going out and forming fight clubs all over the country and hailing cynicism and nihilism as the ultimate values in life, i.e., "coolness!"
Similarly Unlike professional football players from the old days, today's football players are concussion clowns playing the game of braggarts, and a reflection of the current generation's worship of self vs. others, or, "I'm better than you." It's no longer the great game it used to be; it's all about ego. Much like "Fight Club."
BTW, in regard to the cheap "twist" at the end, "All About Eve" is 10 times the movie this tripe claims to be. -
preachcaleb — 9 years ago(January 27, 2017 06:26 AM)
It's not the movie's fault kids are dumb.
BTW, in regard to the cheap "twist" at the end, "All About Eve" is 10 times the movie this tripe claims to be.
That's cool.
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johnwink — 9 years ago(January 28, 2017 06:10 AM)
You might be right then again, what if you are wrong? Have you ever been wrong before?
And, this movie is about as much "art" as Serrano's photograph of a bottle of urin with a Crucifix in it ("Piss Christ, 1987)
One of the kids I was referring to is a pastor's 15-year-old son who can solve a Rubic's cube blindfolded -
johnwink — 9 years ago(January 28, 2017 06:51 AM)
BTW, I bought the "White Albumn" the morning it came out in Houston, Texas. Never felt it was evil; Mason is simply insane and if not for "Helter Smelter" he might have used "Tip-Toe Through the Tulips."
Yeah, "free will IS a Bitch," I like that, LOL
I called the movie "stupid" because of the billion-plus plot holes; "evil" because of rabid focus on hate, anger, language (only Marine Corps Drill instructors know how to REALLY cuss; see "Full Medal Jacket"), violence and sheer debauchery
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johnwink — 9 years ago(January 29, 2017 02:08 PM)
Actually, there ARE many other stupid things in this movie besides the plot holes and scraggly ends: about 199 of them:
Fight Club (1999)
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Tyler Durden: The things you own end up owning you.
(I'll bet you own this movie)
Narrator: I found freedom. Losing all hope was freedom.
(You've never had cancer, have you?)
Tyler Durden: Man, I see in fight club the strongest and smartest men(!!!) who've ever lived.(!!!) I see all this potential, and I see squandering. God damn it, an entire generation pumping gas, waiting tables; slaves with white collars.(LOL) Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy beep we don't need. We're the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War's a spiritual war our Great Depression is our lives. We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won't. And we're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, very pissed off.
(You poor, mistreated babies)
Tyler Durden: Listen up, maggots. You are not special. You are not a beautiful or unique snowflake. You're the same decaying organic matter as everything else. (Straight out of Marine Corps boot camp; I agree with the "maggots" comment tho)
Tyler Durden: You're not your job. You're not how much money you have in the bank. You're not the car you drive. You're not the contents of your wallet. You're not your beep khakis. You're the all-singing, all-dancing crap of the world.
(I worked those "white man jobs" for years until I found what I loved doing. It took a while to get there but it was worth the EFFORT (you might need to go look that word up:))
Tyler Durden: Warning: If you are reading this then this warning is for you. (Oooo, I'm scared!) Every word you read of this useless fine print is another second off your life. (I agree) Don't you have other things to do? (I agree) Is your life so empty that you honestly can't think of a better way to spend these moments? (I agree, esp. with these inane quotes and posts) Or are you so impressed with authority that you give respect and credence to all that claim it? (Only those who do honest work for a living) Do you read everything you're supposed to read? (Esp. not this tripe) Do you think every thing you're supposed to think? (do you?) Buy what you're told to want? (Like this movie?) Get out of your apartment. Meet a member of the opposite sex. Stop the excessive shopping and masturbation. Quit your job. Start a fight. Prove you're alive. If you don't claim your humanity you will (blah, blah, blah)
Tyler Durden: Oxygen gets you high. In a catastrophic emergency, you're taking giant panicked breaths. Suddenly you become euphoric, docile. You accept your fate. It's all right here. Emergency water landing - 600 miles an hour. Blank faces, calm as Hindu cows. (This is a lie, look it up)
Narrator: [while brutally beating Angel Face] I felt like putting a bullet between the eyes of every Panda that wouldn't screw to save its species. I wanted to open the dump valves on oil tankers and smother all the French beaches I'd never see. I wanted to breathe smoke. (Straight out of the ISIS manual)
Tyler Durden: beep damnation, man! beep redemption! We are God's unwanted children? So be it! (Straight out of atheists' drivel; I used to be one)
Tyler Durden: We're a generation of men raised by women (where there were no fathers, you know, the ones who practice this philosophical drivel). I'm wondering if another woman is really the answer we need. (You babies just needed a good spanking when you were kids; maybe that's why Fight Club appeals to you)
Tyler Durden: Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken.(Nor does fighting make you a man; or liking this movie make you an intellectual)
Tyler Durden: Listen to me! You have to consider the possibility that God does not like you. He never wanted you. In all probability, he hates you. This is not the worst thing that can happen.
Narrator: It isn't?
Tyler Durden: We don't need him!
(Yeah, right, you just keep going down that road, buddy; seems like you've been on it for some time already)
I'm sure you can find some typos to mock, as that seems to be your favorite ad hominem argument. If you are quick, you might find a few of mine hidden here and there ta-taaa -
johnwink — 9 years ago(January 29, 2017 04:31 PM)
WELL SAID and REASONED, and pardon me for assuming you were mocking me as I see so much of it in some of these so-called "discussions."
I would like to continue our posts and actually thought about giving you my email address to continue, but then thought perhaps others might learn something here about rational debate.
Will be back tomorrow Sir -
MrAlxT — 9 years ago(January 29, 2017 11:26 AM)
It's not a movie for an almost "retarded level audience".
It encourages people to beep in their pants instead in the toilet.
If you find solecism, typo or some error associated with spelling, please correct me. Contact me
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nihilist_alter-ego — 9 years ago(January 30, 2017 01:44 PM)
Fight Club tells the origin story of a villain and makes people think it's a hero's journey. Tyler Durden in any story except his own would be the antagonist; an insane domestic terrorist and cult leader who's builds up a cult of personality around himself so strong that his nameless followers do whatever he tells them to without question. And in fact he IS the antagonist. But instead of viewing Tyler through the eyes of an outsider horrified by his actions, we're seeing it from his perspective; villains are always heroes in their own minds. It's up to the audience to figure out what they're watching isn't the story of a enlightened leader trying to save people from an oppressive and amoral society but a deranged terrorist creating mass destruction simply because he can.
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johnwink — 9 years ago(January 30, 2017 04:35 PM)
EXCELLENT take on the movie I had not considered, and I promise to think more about it seen from that perspective I am beginning to see how obviously intelligent viewers might perceive it
Still, check out my "quotes" post I would like to hear how those "hate everything" and "Life sucks" and the ultimate "class envy" and the "hate commercialism" protestations (while using it to spout anti-commercialism via commercialism, i.e., the movie)" can not be taken not only literally but even promoted, as I have seen in some of these other posts
And I don't accept the so-called "dumb" audience argument I'm not the most brilliant mind in the world and I guess I'm one of the dumb ones in this respect because these kinds of mental gymnastics explanations make me wheezy.
I do appreciate your take and would like to respond more appropriately, but I'm swamped with work (writing) and despite the fact that my work "owns me," I do love and cherish it
I will try to return tomorrow and continue these very interesting discussions
BTW, I should post a disclaimer here; I am a Vietnam ERA veteran, not a COMBAT veteran, serving in the Marine Corps from 1966-88 at Camp Lejeune, N.C. I never refer to myself as a "Vietnam Veteran," I respect my comrades who DID serve "across the pond" too much to ever do that
But, I can still "kick your ASS" if I need to LOL just kidding, of course, I'm almost 74 but I may be "Not as lean, not as mean, but I am still a Marine!" -
nihilist_alter-ego — 9 years ago(January 30, 2017 10:55 PM)
Still, check out my "quotes" post I would like to hear how those "hate everything" and "Life sucks" and the ultimate "class envy" and the "hate commercialism" protestations (while using it to spout anti-commercialism via commercialism, i.e., the movie)" can not be taken not only literally but even promoted, as I have seen in some of these other posts
Bear in mind that the many pseudo-intellectual BS quotes found in the movie are all being uttered by a clinically insane, dangerous psychopath who spends the majority of the film talking to his imaginary friend. I'm not sure what else there is to be said about them. Of course none of it is rational or applicable to the real world; you're listening to a madman (literally). Is it really 'promoting' a philosophy if the person saying it is a batshyte crazy lunatic who listens to voices in his head, makes soap out of human fat and actually tries to blow his own brains out at the end of the film? This is not someone you should be taking life advice from, is the message.
And I don't accept the so-called "dumb" audience argument I'm not the most brilliant mind in the world and I guess I'm one of the dumb ones in this respect because these kinds of mental gymnastics explanations make me wheezy.
It's not the the audience is dumb, it's that the film is inherently dishonest. I do love this movie, but it is a very deceitful little flick. (That's okay though, it fully intends to be.) We don't meet the Narrator knowing he's already dangerously insane (although he is) and we don't meet Tyler Durden knowing he's not real (although he isn't). The Narrator is presented as sane, so we listen to him. Tyler is presented as real, so we believe in him. Likewise, Tyler isn't 'presented' as a villain; he's just a lovable sort of scamp who has some interesting anarchist philosophies, engages in petty crime, beats the crap out of people for fun, advocates the downfall of societymakes soap out of peoplerecruits young men into his cult and turns them into mindless soldiersblows up buildings using homemade explosives
Well then.
Stepping outside of the film, Durden is a classic movie villain trope; he checks every box on the Villain Bingo Card. Crazy? Check. Dangerous? Check. Violent? Check. Charismatic? Check. He wants to destroy society, which admittedly is the goal of most anarchist villains in most movies. He has an army of slavish followers who would quite literally drink the Kool-Aid if told to (don't they all). He speaks in long rambling soliloquy about his vision and what drives him, and he's charismatic enough to sell the bullshyte (aren't they always). He presents himself as an enlightened leader, a rebel with a noble cause of freeing people from the trappings of society, attempting to lead everyone into a brave new world. He just has to destroy the old world first.
Isn't that the gist of what most evil cult leaders aspire to in the movies? Of course it is. The difference is there's no hero here to compare him to. The only morality the movie gives us is his. And trapped in Tyler's perspective, it almost looks reasonable. And then you remember, "Oh yeah, he makes
soap
out of
people
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When there's no more room on the internet, the dumb will walk the earth.
