is Peter Frampton looked down upon, in this movie ?
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ShannonTriumphant — 11 years ago(April 14, 2014 06:59 PM)
The answer is "YES"and the reason: Because that song, anyway, SUCKS! I admit, as much as I dislike Bonet, she improves upon it, but not enough to make me buy her CD (if it existed).
"Snobs"? Why? Is liking Frampton essential to NOT being a snob? That's freaking sad!
I could substitute any number of musicians' names, like "Dave Brubeck" to, laughably, Michael Bolton and get tons of people to agree with me. That does not make it decent music.well, except for Brubeck. Yeah, I must be a snob.
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Nikon11 — 11 years ago(June 02, 2014 11:58 AM)
Of course that's the point.
Whether or not you like that song, these guys wouldn't, just because it was commercial and popular.
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ShannonTriumphant — 11 years ago(July 17, 2014 02:58 AM)
I got the impression that it was mainly the one song, which is one of the most mocked songs of the 70's. But in its defense, or more a tribute (with which I don't agree) to Lisa Bonet's singing, the guys end up "kind of liking it".
It's not surprising that they dislike it; look at their taste in music. Jack Black's character even hates "I Just Called to Say I Loved You", dismissing it as "sentimental tacky pap". And that's a much better song than the one above. I personally don't care whether they like or dislike Frampton. They got me to buy five copies of the new Beta Band record
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Nikon11 — 11 years ago(July 18, 2014 07:58 AM)
Jack Black's character even hates "I Just Called to Say I Loved You", dismissing it as "sentimental tacky pap". And that's a much better song than the one above.
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ShannonTriumphant — 11 years ago(July 20, 2014 02:55 PM)
Ha!this is kind of funny, since the whole film is about clashing tastes in music and whether or not one has the right to impose one's taste on another!
Wait, what?! Better song? You're kidding, right?
Not at all! I never kid about music; it's much too important to me! I could (and will, if you ask) tell you WHY I think "I Just Called to Say I Loved You" is a better song, both in musical, cultural, emotional and even personal terms but you could just come back at with me with an equal defense for Frampton's song, and both would have, in my mind, the same weight of validity.
I can only quote Frank Zappa here (much worshipped/mocked in this film!), in the song: "Is That Guy Kidding or What?":
"How many of you feel that rock has gotten entirely too preposterous? I see that not all of you are convinced. Some of you believe that Rock & Roll is REAL."- From, "You Can't Do That on Stage Anymore" Vol. 6
As Rob asks Barry, after the latter trashes Dick's saying that he like's the Mitch Ryder & Detroit Wheels version of "Little Latin Loopy Loo", something like, "How can it be WRONG to state a preference?!" It CAN'T!
We may not have many rights left in this surveillance era, but at least the right to argue over musical taste is one of them, isn't it? I say, let's celebrate those differences and discuss them civilly instead of flaming each other over them! What fun is that?
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- From, "You Can't Do That on Stage Anymore" Vol. 6
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bhoover247 — 11 years ago(July 25, 2014 12:15 PM)
Well said. For the very reasons you have just stated I will declare that John Cale's cover of Cohen's Hallelujah is superior. That Joy Division would have been superstars if Ian Curtis hadn't killed himself and that Vic Chesnutt is only behind Dylan and John Prine as a song writer.
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ShannonTriumphant — 11 years ago(July 25, 2014 02:50 PM)
Right ON! I love Joy Division, though not sure abt the superstar part, since New Order never got there either. Did ANY New Wave bands except the Clash, really, after being hounded out of Punk status (though gladly, I can't help but thinkthat movement had a 2-yr. lifespan, kind of like Heroin Chic!) But They should have been Superstars, along with OMD, The Cure and so many others. (Watch Sofia Coppola's "Marie Antoinette" and marvel at THAT soundtrack!).
Apropos of nothing, as Humbert said: Of course, Cale is a genius! He's like McCartney with talent. Or like Lou Reed's bizarre, locked-up brother!
Let's not forget Gen-X: You forgot Weezer's about-face on Pinkerton! Who else produces a groudbreaking album and such a harsh, poignant sound, with one guy in his parents' basement? (I mean the genesis of it, of course)?
And we all have come to realize, I think that no matter how great Dylan is, he IS often overrated by comparison to others, until "Blood on the Tracks"! Not sure abt. Victhough "Coward" might have been Rodriquez' inspiration for El Mariachi and the wonderful "Chingonized" "Malaguena Salerosa"
Other stuff of his is more like Randy Newman in a semi-coma, sadly. (E.G., "When The Bottom Fell Out").
Anywayinteresting stuff! Message me if this is too OT!
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ShannonTriumphant — 11 years ago(July 25, 2014 05:28 PM)
Sorry, but IMO, NOBODY "crushes" Newmannobody, much less a whiner like Chesnutt. He might be good for make-out sessions while wearing polyester and platform shoes, but, come on! I see what you didyou were TRYING to be sarcastic about your musical "preferences" to "Show me"not realizing that I take almost EVERYTHING literally!
Sorry I bothered replying to you. Let's just drop it. It's obvious that our musical tastes are so far apart as to make any attempt at dialogue useless. Once you use sarcasm and deception, you lose ALL credibility!
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bhoover247 — 10 years ago(March 13, 2016 05:01 PM)
I don't know if you are still out there since it's taken me almost two years to respond, but if you are still with us I would suggest that you youtube Vic Chesnutt doing the songs Withering or Thumbtack or maybe See You Around or Florida. Any of these might change your opinion of the late great Vic Chesnutt.
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subwoofers — 10 years ago(March 06, 2016 01:41 PM)
in the scene where Lisa Bonet is playing 'Baby I love the way', Rob (Cusack) remarks: "Is that Peter f###### Frampton?". And proceeds to seemingly indicate a prior dislike for the track.
it's pretty clear that Framton is despised
then they show how shallow they are when they see a hot chick singing it
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dio52 — 9 years ago(July 18, 2016 01:20 AM)
Frampton wasn't even taken very seriously among what you'd traditionally consider the classic rock circle, at least not once Framptom Comes Alive hit it big.
Rob and crew never explicitly express hate on Frampton, but considering that their tastes skewed towards post-punk/new wave/alternative rock, it's a safe assumption that they despised Frampton and other such similar super-commercial arena rock.
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majormet — 9 years ago(August 13, 2016 10:23 PM)
I think as I lived through it Frampton solo was actually super cool, stuff for the first 2 studio albums and Frampton Comes Alive, he holds his own as a true rock star songs like Lines on My Face are brilliant.
However 2 things alienated him from the rock base and a lot of his fans- He starred in the Movie Sgt Pepper alongside the Bee Gees at the height of their disco rise. This movie bombed in the box office and really exposed Frampton for being a big sell out.
- He follows up Frampton Comes Alive with the album and song I'm in You. Although the song has a great guitar solo, it is very similar to the work of the late 70's wimpy pop songwriter era (Kenny Nolan, Alan O'Day..) not to mention that Frampton is posing like a Playmate on the cover of the album.
He is the classic example of selling out, and as a result by the 1980's he was forgotten.
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mrjbaptist — 9 years ago(September 03, 2016 09:01 PM)
As music snobs, they can't like things that are popular and mainstream - unless they are polular and mainstream, but still edgy - i.e. Springsteen. "Mass consumption" popular is equated with "shallow". Peopel who listen to popular music are the "muggles" of their world.
There's also the fact that radio often overplays popular songs and bands, making you sick of them. There are bands and albums that I really like now, but felt tortured when I was hearingt hem in heavy rotation (Duran Duran's "Rio" , for example).
Rob and the crew also mock people who listen to other "popular" bands - specifically Lionel Ricthie and Supertramp, if I remember correctly.