Do you consider the word PAKI offensive?
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Platonic_Caveman — 6 years ago(August 03, 2019 03:47 PM)
Like I told Stamm, if I was in England I'd be a fool to say it. My point here is there is no logic to anyone finding it offensive. It's a complete perversion of the English language. No other "-istani" people find a shortened version of their name offensive. Even in the Pakistani region of Balochistan, official government sources refer to the people as Balochi.
It's not comparable to the 'n' word. In English it's offensive despite its derivation.
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Platonic_Caveman — 6 years ago(August 03, 2019 04:21 PM)
Well if I was doing my dissertation for a masters in etymology, it would make an excellent thesis. I would like to know when it crossed the line.
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RT Hon Jacob Rees-Mogg MP — 6 years ago(August 03, 2019 04:25 PM)
My dear boy are you not an ex convict that likes flashing his penis in public locations?
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Daisy — 6 years ago(August 03, 2019 04:28 PM)
From Wikipedia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paki_(slur)
"Paki" is derived from the exonym Pakistan(i). Unlike other -stan countries, where the first part of the name typically refers to the indigenous people (e.g. the Tajiks of Tajikistan, Turkmens of Turkmenistan, Afghans of Afghanistan), the name of Pakistan was coined by the Cambridge University political science student and Muslim nationalist Rahmat Ali, and was published on 28 January 1933 in the pamphlet Now or Never. After coining the name of the nation-state, Ali noticed that there is an acronym formed from the names of the "homelands" of Muslims in northwest India:
"P" for Punjab, Pakistan
"A" for Afghania (first known as the North-West Frontier Province but later changed to Khyber Pakhtunkhwa in 2010)
"K" for Kashmir
"I" for Indus
"S" for Sindh
"Tan" for Balochistan, Pakistan (therefore forming "Pakistan")
Pak (پاک) also means "pure" in Persian, Urdu and Pashto.
There was no "Pak" or "Paki" ethnic group before the state was created.
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The use of the term "Paki" was first recorded in
1964
, during a period of increased immigration to the United Kingdom. In addition to Pakistanis (which included Bangladeshis up until 1971), it has also been directed to people of other South Asian backgrounds as well as people from other demographics who resemble South Asians.[4] Starting in the late 1960s,[7] and peaking in the 1970s and 1980s, violent gangs opposed to immigration took part in attacks known as "Paki-bashing", which targeted and assaulted people and premises of South Asian origin,[8] and occasionally other ethnic minorities. -
[cheers] — 6 years ago(August 03, 2019 05:09 PM)
Thank you Dazed. Words take on different, additional and brand new meanings all the time. If a word is used derogatorily enough that's the definition it takes on. That's how it works. We don't have to like it, but people don't like being called Paki either, apparently.
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Platonic_Caveman — 6 years ago(August 03, 2019 06:10 PM)
Well, that's a very comprehensive description of the origin of the name Pakistan. I am closely connected with the Indian community here in Los Angeles. There are many Hindu nationalists who believe the partition of India into three states was a terrible mistake on the part of the British. I also believe there should be one India not divided by religion. There are also millions of Muslims still in India and millions of Hindus still in Pakistan and Bangladesh. Partition solved nothing. There is also tension between the two states, both which posses nuclear weapons.
However, the origin of the name of Pakistan does still not imply the word "Paki" itself is inherently offensive. It's only its use by English racists which made it so. If there was "Afghan-bashing" by English racists, would that make Afghan an offensive slur as well?
I'm just saying in the U.S. the word "Paki" does not have that same negative implication.
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Daisy — 6 years ago(August 03, 2019 06:23 PM)
It's only its use by English racists which made it so.
That's what I've been saying! Not just English racists by the way-Scottish, Welsh and Irish too.
If there was "Afghan-bashing" by English racists, would that make Afghan an offensive slur as well?
Probably.
I'm just saying in the U.S. the word "Paki" does not have that same negative implication.
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Platonic_Caveman — 6 years ago(August 03, 2019 06:30 PM)
Okay, you've convinced me. I will stop using the word since we have an international user base here.
I still must say that "Afghan-bashing" will not make the word "Afghan" offensive any more than "American-bashing" would make "American" offensive. It's a very queer stigma which has been attached to the "P" word.
Thanks.
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RT Hon Jacob Rees-Mogg MP — 6 years ago(August 03, 2019 03:37 PM)
My darling beloved we really must have a chat about this boorish and frankly ill-conceived misuse of the semicolon!
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RT Hon Jacob Rees-Mogg MP — 6 years ago(August 03, 2019 04:06 PM)
By jove you women and your hysteria!
Good grief. Go and iron your husband's trousers my good lady, Monday is looming.
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RT Hon Jacob Rees-Mogg MP — 6 years ago(August 03, 2019 04:27 PM)
You're a Corbyn voter and frankly this is the sort of nonsensical tomfoolery I would expect, my good lady.
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RT Hon Jacob Rees-Mogg MP — 6 years ago(August 03, 2019 05:15 PM)
I also voted Remain
Oh my sweet darling beloved. I really did have high hopes for you!
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RT Hon Jacob Rees-Mogg MP — 6 years ago(August 03, 2019 05:38 PM)
Oh darling you really are a tease! Please stop this incessant impertinence.
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