silly premise
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lokis_angels — 11 years ago(July 16, 2014 05:43 PM)
I have to disagree. Empathy is the ability to recognize emotions in others. That doesn't mean you have to have them yourself, nor even you have to understand them.
Maybe I am mistaken as to your point, but if there is no emotion, then it can't be picked up on by others. But they will still aknowledge there is no emotion.
The whole premise of the clerics is they have to eradicate 'feelings'. They only have to recognize them, not have emotions themselves. -
DoctorNordo — 11 years ago(August 23, 2014 01:04 AM)
Empathy is not merely recognizing the emotions of others, but also being able to identify with them. An emotionless being is unable to identify with the emotions of others because they have nothing internal to compare them to.
To use an example from Star Trek, Data was able to recognize the emotions of others, but he lacked empathy because he didn't have any emotions of his own. Troi, on the other hand, was an empath and it was no coincidence that she was the most emotional character on the show. Empathy is inextricably bound to emotion. -
DoctorNordo — 11 years ago(August 27, 2014 02:35 PM)
That's not what I said at all. I said that in order to identify with the feelings of others you have to have feelings of your own. I did not say that having feelings of your own guarantees that you will be able to identify with the feelings of others.
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DoctorNordo — 11 years ago(August 27, 2014 04:23 PM)
You're conflating recognition with identification. By identification I mean one's ability to personally relate. Data could tell when someone was experiencing the emotion of humor, but he was never able to understand WHY something was funny.
Note that I said Data was never able to identify WITH emotions, not that he wasn't able to identify emotions. The two phrases have completely different meanings. -
DoctorNordo — 11 years ago(August 27, 2014 05:30 PM)
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mimsies — 11 years ago(November 10, 2014 06:55 PM)
Actually, emotion IS functionally critical.
Without emotion, people make terrible decisions, and even that is when they are capable of making any decisions. There is a place in the prefrontal cortex generally referred to as the "Gage Matrix" which is critical in higher emotions. When people have damage to that area, thereby dulling or even eliminating their emotions, but have no deficits in intelligence, memory,, etc., they became largely unable to function effectively. They not only lose a guide to allow them to follow laws, rules, mores, etc. but they also become incapable of making simple every day decisions about what to do first, what strategy to use to get tasks accomplished, things like that.
Look up the somatic marker hypothesis, and Descartes Error By Antonio Damasio. -
cosmic_surveyor — 13 years ago(November 13, 2012 12:12 AM)
It's not about having no emotions!
It's about having a tamer emotional response. Prozium in the film moderates the responses so they don't get too high or too low.
An example would be the Star Wars Jedi warriors. The Masters easily control their emotional responses. The apprentices are learning. The warriors are somewhere in between. Meanwhile, the talented Anakin Skywalker could not when it mattered most. Note the Darth Lords also temper their emotional responses well.
Someone brought up the Star Trek Vulcans. By training and cultivation, they too have tamed their emotional responses.
In reality, science has demonstrated that practicing certain meditation techniques tempers emotional responses.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/11/121112150339.htm
A decade ago, the artists might not have known what is possible and could only portray what they thought was possible. In the "making of", they could only see the two extremes, zombies or raging lunatics. They saw the middle as a failure of portrayal and hoped the audience was forgiving.
In effect, they had a premise they couldn't wrap their heads around.
So, it's not a silly premise to have Darth Lords, Jedi Masters or Vulcans ruling a civilization. -
pbento68 — 12 years ago(August 16, 2013 10:53 PM)
I don't care what you call it, Dodging bullets is dodging bullets and it is not up for debate if humans have the capacity to react that quickly. Much less calculate mathematically the likely trajectory of a bullet. Embarrassingly stupid.
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vocklabruck — 12 years ago(November 16, 2013 06:25 AM)
In fact, how can Brandt "feel" there is something wrong with Preston if he is supposed not to have emotions? Pride is also an emotion, the guy giving a speech to hundreds of people is full of emotions, etc. The entire film is just an entire contradiction. It's not too bad anyway, nice visual achievement.
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ilawefvcjr — 10 years ago(February 23, 2016 01:31 AM)
I agree, at the begining we see Bale shooting the crap out of the resistance. He shoots his friend..Bean, and then all of a sudden within 24 hours he starts to change. Not good. As you say if you have no emotion why are they looking for a career advancement.