Why did that turn him on?
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super-staff — 13 years ago(March 22, 2013 09:48 AM)
Precisely what margin_walker2003 wrote. On the dot. It wasn't rape at all, really. If she really didn't like where the sex was going, she could have left the room. Yes, it'd make meeting with her professor awkward afterwards, but honestly, she should have thought things through more and known that she was playing with fire in regards to having sex with a teacher.
Yes, he seems like a classic Dominant as well. As someone who partakes in sex like this, as a Dom and Sub, I didn't feel offended by this scene. Dirty talk, especially if it involves 'taboo' words that would offend others, is a huge turn-on for many Doms. Vi is afraid of the idea of enjoying that sort of sex and, hey, not everyone can handle it. However, for her to turn around and play a victim of rape is wrong. Catherine's critique was entirely correct. Vi was going to use him as a 'notch on her belt' to be able to brag about (to herself and/or others) but he ended up turning the tables on her, possibly intentionally. -
chas437 — 13 years ago(March 30, 2013 07:55 AM)
Good analysis. I watched this film a bunch when it came out, but just watched again for the first time in over ten years. My impressions changed quite a bit over the years.
As for the reason that Vi participates in the domination sex act with the professor, I always thought it was to gain life experience needed to be a writer. Earlier in the segment, Vi's writing was called callow by the "teacher's pet". Later Vi finds nude photos of her (teacher's pet) in the professor's bathroom. But Vi's reasoning is clearly more complex than this.
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mrs-jindrak — 18 years ago(December 17, 2007 04:06 PM)
Probably b/c he (not so) secretly hates the annoying pretentious people and climate he's in all day. He thinks they all see him as nothing more than a n* somewhere in their minds and he gets off on making her say it. He knows all his coddled sheltered students are fake and phony w/ him all day so he likes to get them alone and break them down.
Any wealthy white girl would never say something like that, so it's debasing to her.
As far as using the word rape, I think he violated her, intentionally. I think the worst feeling for her was that she SAW those pics in his bathroom and instead of just getting the heck out of there (like any savvy gal with some instinct) she stuck around and wound up regretting it. She was expecting a different sexual experience than what she got. So afterward she feels even worse.
But I don't think that segment was meant as an attack on either character as much as an attack on a university or PC system run so amok that a young girl (such as the one portrayed) doesn't have enough backbone and self-interest to tell her bitter has-been prof or her whiny needy bf to get effed. B/c they both fall into the category of people who deserve universal compassion. So she's stuck trying to like people who are basically total jerks. -
hooper-xxx — 17 years ago(May 30, 2008 02:50 PM)
I preface this by saying that I'm black. I don't think that it did turn him on. I think that he was expressing contempt for the phoniness of a politically correct yet de facto segregated liberal arts college and student body, neither of which would so much as spit on him were he on fire if he wasn't a Pulitzer prize winner. He was also forcing Vi, and probably all of the fawning white co-eds who preceded her, to consider the depths of their own hypocrisy.
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happiness_is_easy — 17 years ago(August 24, 2008 09:15 PM)
I think you're onto something there hooper. He clearly showed contempt for his students and in my mind was mocking their so-called "liberalism" when in fact they believed all the sexual stereotypes about black men.
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tom-1356 — 17 years ago(September 09, 2008 10:41 PM)
I would agree with hooper on this. Mr. Scott was completely aware that Vi, as well as many if not all the co-eds, were giving it to him even though they were trying to break through their own racial barriers.
I most definitely would NOT refer to it as rape, and the pictures were probably intentionally left in the bathroom for all of his "guests" to see prior to their humiliation.- Vi never said NO.
- Nothing in the scene suggested that Vi lost any control or power to leave at any time. If the "victims" felt that there was any rape involved, then it was a form of self-rape.
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tom-1356 — 17 years ago(September 09, 2008 11:31 PM)
I would agree with hooper on this. Mr. Scott was completely aware that Vi, as well as many if not all the co-eds, were giving it to him even though they were trying to break through their own racial barriers.
I most definitely would NOT refer to it as rape, and the pictures were probably intentionally left in the bathroom for all of his "guests" to see prior to their humiliation.- Vi never said NO.
- Nothing in the scene suggested that Vi lost any control or power to leave at any time. If the "victims" felt that there was any rape involved, then it was a form of self-rape.
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jeebusenroute — 16 years ago(September 07, 2009 04:41 PM)
Well, with the handicapped boyfriend, she always had the power.
And she was trying to show how liberal and open-minded she is, by first dating her boyfriend, and then, screwing the professor.
In the bathroom before she had sex with professor, she kept repeating to herself, "Don't be a racist!" because she was scared and confronting her own stereotypes of black people, or black men. And the professor knew that that was the reason why she was having sex with him. So he told her to say those things, because subconsciously, that's what she wanted to say. She enjoyed it. But then felt guilty about it - as evidenced by the "You're all sweaty" comment by her boyfriend.
However, in that act, she felt the power was taken from her when the professor knew the reason why she was with him and forced her to say it outloud, unlike her boyfriend. So she "told a story," and changed it all around to make her seem like the victim and that she was raped. -
deadbunny28 — 15 years ago(October 04, 2010 01:03 AM)
exactlyjebus pretty much hit it dead onit was confronting the true mental aspect behind all of vi's relationshipsshe even starts yelling it louder and louder as they go onthey discuss the reasons directly in class after she tells her story
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ThoseLittleRabbits — 9 years ago(November 09, 2016 06:01 PM)
you're not black
i've got feelings too, ya know - inbetweeners
http://melanoidnation.org/white-man-warns-all-black