Significance of the burned flag?
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mfiskey55 — 14 years ago(December 02, 2011 07:15 AM)
Does anybody know, or is the significance of the partially burned American flag mentioned in the film? I know Gladys asks about it & Muir tells her to keep it as he's leaving. However, what I'm interested in is if there is any background on how & why Muir ends up with it, frames it, and keep it in his office? It obviously has significant meaning to him, but do we know what the meaning is? Thanks.
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dweil2-2 — 13 years ago(March 28, 2013 07:03 AM)
I prefer to think that it's from the fall of Saigon in '75. It could have come from the airport or from the embassy. The burned part would perfectly symbolize America's "defeat" and would resonate with him, reminding him of the danger of hubris. There's some meta too with Gladys, since the CIA tried to burn HIM and his protege as well.
But no, the audience doesn't SPECIFICALLY discover what the origin of the flag was. It's up to each viewer to put it in his or her own context. But Saigon fits as well as any. -
mfiskey55 — 12 years ago(May 02, 2013 12:02 PM)
That would seem to make the most sense as far as the flag coming from somewhere/thing related to Viet Nam, where he was intimately involved. Your symbolic reference also seems to add to the story. Thanks.
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LDThompson-998-811981 — 12 years ago(December 03, 2013 08:25 PM)
You're correct Michael. It DOES have the stacked stars rather than the 50-star in-out pattern. This means the flag has 48 stars. This means it's between 1912 (admission of New Mexico, Arizona) and 1959 (admission of Alaska). I don't know of any flags that might have been partially burned that might have prestige value. As a result, I can only think that it might have some OSS/CIA related value to Muir. Almost certainly, I believe, a WWII flag Corregidor maybe? Wake?
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jfymfporsiempre — 12 years ago(February 09, 2014 08:26 PM)
I'm just gonna throw this out there, maybe it's stupid and you may have a nice laugh, but perhaps the burned flag has no significance or background story.
I'm not completely sure when this movie was filmed exactly, but it was released not long after 9/11. Again, this is just a suggestion, but in keeping with the fact that movies aren't filmed in the same sequence of events they're played out on screen, perhaps the burned flag was a reference to 9/11. Maybe they filmed it after the attacks and put it in just before it's release? Who knows.
Like I said, it might be a stupid idea, but I think, if I remember right, the volunteers who worked at Ground Zero in the months after the attacks did find a burned American flag which they hoisted up on a pole. Maybe the flag in this movie was a reference?