what kind of sick human beings…
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guardian2415 — 14 years ago(August 05, 2011 09:06 PM)
Agreed. The conspirators were in a hurry to kill everyone and secure the gold.
The original draft of "Chimera" was a significantly different story from the final version of Ghost Ship. The high school age "Katie" in Chimera showed little resemblance to the innocent, young elementary school age Katie in Ghost Ship.
Katie said that since she was the only child on board that she received "special care." It is natural for adults to be protective of children and if you look closely at the DVD you can see several people trying to help Katie, much to the annoyance of the 2 evil stewards who eventually hang her.
Also, there is a note from the ship's purser and Francesca left for Katie on a table in her cabin inviting Katie and her doll to join them in the dinning area. This indicates that even some of the conspirators were trying to spare her life and keep her away from the lethal cable incident.
Notice that out of hundreds murdered on the ship that only Katie's remains were left undisturbed. The 2 evil stewards who killed her knew they were murdering an innocent child and tried to conceal her body behind the partitioning door of her cabin (which makes great dramatic effect when Epps finds her remains).
Finally, why would the contemptible murderers waste time assaulting a young child when the ship was full of sultry women? As already stated, Katie's taffeta & organza dress was left perfectly undisturbed even after 40 years. -
Wierd_1 — 14 years ago(August 18, 2011 11:26 AM)
could hang a little girl like that? i was so appauled by that scene. I know it's only fiction but whoever wrote that scene is disturbed.
other than that i thought this movie was kinda cheesy but the atmosphere was beyond awesome
They were some sick bastards, that's what they were.
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ghostgate2001 — 13 years ago(December 13, 2012 01:41 PM)
In the original script, Katie is described as being "about 16" and she is raped by the mutineers, then killed with an axe - all in front of her father, who is made to watch.
In the final script the Katie character was made even younger, and the method of her death was changed to hanging, but the basic gist of what happened to her will have remained the same: she was raped and then killed by the mutineers.
Obviously the filmmakers couldn't (and wouldn't) show that happening to a child, but it's still fairly clear what happened to her. The rape is implied by the shot of the mutineers taking her into the cabin and closing the door on the viewer. The choice of hanging as the mutineer's method of killing her doesn't make much practical sense (too slow, and too much trouble for men in a hurry to bother rigging up) so I would say that particular choice was dictated by film-making needs.
With the film-makers unable to show the actual rape and murder of a child, the film needed to communicate two vital pieces of information to the audience in that brief glimpse of the skeletal remains: 1) that the corpse is Katie's (the distinctive dress provides that recognition), and 2) that she was murdered in that room (the fact that her corpse is seen hanging provides that).
Why such an appalling fate for Katie? Well, that's down to the "rules" of ghost stories in general, i.e. that for a person to become a ghost there must have been a great wrong done to them; something too terrible for them to be able to "pass on" without there first being some kind of resolution - if not revenge, then just for someone living to know and understand the story of what happened. -
guardian2415 — 13 years ago(December 20, 2012 06:38 PM)
This is a very sensitive issue, especially in light of the horrendous events at Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown Connecticut.
Over the past several years there have been numerous posts concerning Katie relating to the horrific suffering and evil she endured. Like others previously stated, it never even crossed my mind that the film was trying to imply the young child was assaulted. If this was the true intent of the writers, they certainly could have made a much stronger implication. I base this view within the whole context of the story and from the plethora of extra information surrounding the film located on the Ghost Ship webpage, in addition to the extra features of the special edition DVD. The first spec script for Chimera bears little resemblance to the final "Ghost Ship" characters and story.
My contention is this issue getting blown out of proportion in comparison to the bigger picture. Just as with the children in Newton Connecticut, the bottom line is an innocent child was cruelly murdered by evil people. With all the media frenzy surrounding Newtown, it will likely influence depraved others to carry out similar copy cat killings. Therefore, why allow the mind wander so drastically concerning such a minor, ambiguous issue within the story and thereby risk sowing sadistic ideas into peoples heads?
The once elegant and decaying ship is a symbol of changing times. In a similar manner, Katie can be viewed as a symbolic representation of childhood from a more innocent era. Just as the ship decays to ruin from its glorious 1950s splendor, Katies deteriorating childhood possessions and even Katie herself, are evocative symbols of changing times and eroding childhood innocence. In this manner, not only has the innocence of the children in Newtown been lost, but the innocence of childhood everywhere has suffered an excruciating blow.
Generally speaking, 1962 was still a very safe, wholesome and innocent time to grow up That was until events such as the Cuban missile crisis, assignation of JFK and the advent of vicious social/political upheavals began to gnaw away at the youthful spirit of innocence and optimism. Whether it is coincidence or not, Katies death and struggle on the symbolic ship precedes and coincides with these events.
The childhood Katie would have known began to slowly die almost along with her. For those who may doubt that times are changing and that moral values are eroding, you need to look no further than the recent events in Newtown. We lose a piece of soul if we choose not to care about such things. I hope everyone will have a heart and endeavor to be a part of the solution and not part of the problem. -
bigwinwill — 11 years ago(May 17, 2014 02:09 PM)
You mean PResadent not Obama because no matter who is in the big seat or their political group the same thing would happen. Placeing a persons name to it is a ploy by political groups to fight about.
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met76 — 12 years ago(April 26, 2013 03:45 PM)
The rape is implied by the shot of the mutineers taking her into the cabin and closing the door on the viewer. The choice of hanging as the mutineer's method of killing her doesn't make much practical sense (too slow, and too much trouble for men in a hurry to bother rigging up) so I would say that particular choice was dictated by film-making needs.
It's still not a fact, it's only your interpretation. I know Americans really love to read things out of films and film scenes and claim they have abstract meanings (such as "Katie is a symbol of an innocent era" - lmao) but the only true fact that remains is that all this is nothing but your personal interpretation, not the facts. And dragging someone into a room and closing the door does NOT mean rape at all acounts. Not at all. -
cheluzal — 12 years ago(August 18, 2013 03:22 PM)
It's a basic cinemotography act, closing the door ON the camera strongly implies what happened behind that door.
They are murderers and sickos; rape comes with the territory.
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Alexowens — 11 years ago(July 11, 2014 03:21 AM)
I agree, it's a basic convention of cinema, like the saying about what happens "behind closed doors". I hadn't watched this film for years, but on rewatching last night, I certainly thought that rape or assault was implied, and upon reading a thread saying that a rape scene was in the original script, I think this was definitely the intention.
She is treated differently to all the other passengers. I kept thinking why haven't they just killed her like all the others, until they took her into the room. It's been inserted as one of the most horrific acts that anyone can commit which certainly comes into play later with all the talk of sins etc. This is cinematic shorthand to emphasise how evil these men were: murderers, rapists and showing greed/lust for the gold.
I don't think this type of film would shy away from showing her murder otherwise, like some others have said. It's not Spielberg where children inexplicably don't die. (I'm thinking Jurassic Park, War of the Worlds etc)
Still gives me chills, not nearly as bad as when Rorschach finds evidence of the murdered little girl in Watchmen though :shudders: -
ShadowsGathered — 11 years ago(June 21, 2014 06:36 PM)
You're right the mere act of closing the door doesn't mean rape on its own but the look on Katie's face, when she shows Epps what happened to her, is a look of embarrassment and shame and that doesn't come from simply being killed by hanging also, the very fact they took her into a room and closed the door meant they had something on their minds besides simply killing Katie they weren't shy at all about all the other killings so why would murdering her in front of anyone or everyone bother them? I think the implication is obvious, and it's not a matter of personal interpretation at all.
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itsjustdawn81 — 10 years ago(August 25, 2015 03:40 PM)
HAHAHA! I have been reading the comments and wanting to smack people. I have never noticed that rape was implied. I've seen this movie many times and not once did I ever assume she was being raped. Nor do I ever see shame in Katie's face during the flashback scene with Epps. Sorrow/sadness yes, but she was killed for crying out loud.
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verbusen — 12 years ago(May 28, 2013 06:11 PM)
Had this on today (2013) for the first time, it was on the TV, when I watched that all those people were getting cut in half I realized it was sick and twisted and refused to watch any longer. So about 3 minutes in I switched the channel. I guess I'm old school, I don't need to watch bodies get sliced in half to know it happened.
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chilichilipepper — 12 years ago(June 01, 2013 11:05 AM)
Well, then I suggest that if you turn on the TV, and the movie says horror, change the channel?
How come I have a feeling that you had bo problem with the opening scene of Saving Private Ryan where people were getting cut into pieces by bullets (in a scene that was way more realistic and bloody than anything in Ghost Ship). -
Gaodhal — 11 years ago(July 11, 2014 05:52 AM)
The death of the girl as depicted in the film made little sense. Why bring her to her own cabin to kill her? Why go to the bother of hanging her?
This wasn't a Manson Family-esque group of nutters on a murderous rampage, motivated by a sadistic desire to inflict suffering and death. Their purpose was to dispatch the passengers and take the gold.
I suspect a late script re-write.
It's likely that the girl, alone on the ship after the deaths of the others, was originally supposed to have hung herself in her cabin.
Later, there were either second thoughts about the depiction of a child suicide, or it was felt her suicide conflicted with the image of her soul being pure and innocent - "unmarked".
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