An X rating is ludicrous!
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Archived from the IMDb Discussion Forums — The Passion of the Christ
awrobel — 9 years ago(December 28, 2016 02:53 AM)
When you compare this film to other versions of the Jesus Saga, this one is off the charts. Frankly, this movie is far too gory and it's lack of restraint makes me question how it ever got shown. By giving it a X rating it really makes a mockery of films given a similar rating for mere sexual content. I'd be far less concerned having a child see a movie with women performing a whole range of sexual acts than witnessing this 2 hour + exercise in inhumane behavior.
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Rumble_McSkirmish — 9 years ago(January 15, 2017 03:50 PM)
What would be those moral lessons?
Stoning people to death for working on the sabbath?
Kill everything that breathes because they live where you want to?
Slavery and rape are fine as long as you follow the rules?
It doesn't really teach anything which explains why so many modern laws have nothing to do with it. The only thing it comes close to on are basic understandings that every society has
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bastasch8647 — 9 years ago(January 15, 2017 03:54 PM)
Yes, there is no such thing as "biblical morality" - it's a patchwork quilt of virtue and vice all mixed together. Hence, Christians are obliged to salad-bar select "good" biblical morality and ignore "bad" biblical morality
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Rumble_McSkirmish — 9 years ago(January 29, 2017 04:31 AM)
I'm pretty sure the bible condones rape since it states as long as you pay a fee, the woman you raped can be your wife. If you don't get caught though you're free and in the clear because she was asking for it.
Slavery is pretty condoned too as it not only tells people to take slaves, but gives a "how to operate your slaves" handbook.
Slaughtering everything that breathes? not only does god do it, but specifically orders people to do it for the grand crime of simply existing.
Same with the sabbath stoning and all that other junk. It isn't just describing, it's giving rules and guidelines on how when it's not flat out demanding people to do something.
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marty-130-840283 — 9 years ago(January 30, 2017 07:33 PM)
Question: "Does the Bible condone slavery?"
Answer: There is a tendency to look at slavery as something of the past. But it is estimated that there are today over 27 million people in the world who are subject to slavery: forced labor, sex trade, inheritable property, etc. As those who have been redeemed from the slavery of sin, followers of Jesus Christ should be the foremost champions of ending human slavery in the world today. The question arises, though, why does the Bible not speak out strongly against slavery? Why does the Bible, in fact, seem to support the practice of human slavery?
The Bible does not specifically condemn the practice of slavery. It gives instructions on how slaves should be treated (Deuteronomy 15:12-15; Ephesians 6:9; Colossians 4:1), but does not outlaw slavery altogether. Many see this as the Bible condoning all forms of slavery. What many fail to understand is that slavery in biblical times was very different from the slavery that was practiced in the past few centuries in many parts of the world. The slavery in the Bible was not based exclusively on race. People were not enslaved because of their nationality or the color of their skin. In Bible times, slavery was based more on economics; it was a matter of social status. People sold themselves as slaves when they could not pay their debts or provide for their families. In New Testament times, sometimes doctors, lawyers, and even politicians were slaves of someone else. Some people actually chose to be slaves so as to have all their needs provided for by their masters.
The slavery of the past few centuries was often based exclusively on skin color. In the United States, many black people were considered slaves because of their nationality; many slave owners truly believed black people to be inferior human beings. The Bible condemns race-based slavery in that it teaches that all men are created by God and made in His image (Genesis 1:27). At the same time, the Old Testament did allow for economic-based slavery and regulated it. The key issue is that the slavery the Bible allowed for in no way resembled the racial slavery that plagued our world in the past few centuries.
In addition, both the Old and New Testaments condemn the practice of man-stealing, which is what happened in Africa in the 19th century. Africans were rounded up by slave-hunters, who sold them to slave-traders, who brought them to the New World to work on plantations and farms. This practice is abhorrent to God. In fact, the penalty for such a crime in the Mosaic Law was death: Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death (Exodus 21:16). Similarly, in the New Testament, slave-traders are listed among those who are ungodly and sinful and are in the same category as those who kill their fathers or mothers, murderers, adulterers and perverts, and liars and perjurers (1 Timothy 1:810).
Another crucial point is that the purpose of the Bible is to point the way to salvation, not to reform society. The Bible often approaches issues from the inside out. If a person experiences the love, mercy, and grace of God by receiving His salvation, God will reform his soul, changing the way he thinks and acts. A person who has experienced Gods gift of salvation and freedom from the slavery of sin, as God reforms his soul, will realize that enslaving another human being is wrong. He will see, with Paul, that a slave can be a brother in the Lord (Philemon 1:16). A person who has truly experienced Gods grace will in turn be gracious towards others. That would be the Bibles prescription for ending slavery. -
mamu2 — 9 years ago(January 31, 2017 06:36 AM)
Question: "Does the Bible condone slavery?"
Answer: Not only does it condone slavery, it commands, orders, and instructs explicitly in regards to slavery. The NT does not condemn it either, saying that slaves must fear God as they would fear a cruel master, legitimizing the practice.
These apologist website cut and pastes are irrelevant and merely try to make excuses for all the uncomfortable parts in the Bible. But this part is accurate.
"The Bible does not specifically condemn the practice of slavery. It gives instructions on how slaves should be treated (Deuteronomy 15:12-15; Ephesians 6:9; Colossians 4:1), but does not outlaw slavery altogether."
Yup. Bible is pro-slavery, and was used as a pro-slavery tool by many countries throughout history to legitimize the practice. That is historical.